These are the voyages...

[MisterSmith 0]

This might be a little long, but I wanted to make a discussion about the last episode. Some things that I noticed:

 

 

 

I thought that while it did touch on the TNG crew a little much, it really made a connection between the events of the 21st and 23rd centuries.

 

Who new Brent Spiner would make a special voice appearance?

 

Sad to see Commander Tucker go...

 

By setting this episode 10 years in the future...A resurrection of the series, could possibly happen...although, we all know how positively unlikely that is.

 

Those are just some things to start a conversation.

 

I think we'd all like to hear everyone's opinion.

 

Mr. Smith

[Mithraia Coeur 0]

I really enjoyed the episode (though was very sad knowing it was the last one. I still don't believe the show was given a fair chance. But that's just my opinion.)

 

I absolutely loved the TNG tie-in. Especially to an actual TNG episode.

 

And Tucker was my favorite! I literally cried for him.. he was so awesome. And it seemed fitting that he'd give his life for the Captain and the ship. It showed his wonderful character..

 

The only disappointment I had was the fact I didn't get to hear Archer's speech. I was looking forward to that. But the montage of Enterprises at the end was a very beautiful ending.

 

::sigh:: I already miss Star Trek. Good thing I have this place to fall back on. Make my own adventures! ;)

[Dustin_Marks 0]

I agree with the end montage... It was very well done although I was truly hoping for a more "elaborate" video...

 

As for the episode itself, I loved the TNG tie in, even marvelling at it at times. It makes me yearn for the old TNG show and not just a movie. In fact, the end episode makes me wonder what the next step in Trek is going to be...

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

Overall, I liked the episode. I will agree with several crew remarks that reflected a feeling that while this was an outstanding "tribute" episode, it wasn't really proper for a series finale for Star Trek: Enterprise. Honestly, it did come out making a nice "finale" for eighteen consistant years of Star Trek on TV. There's something to be said for that.

 

Starting off, I can understand why they focused so much on the 1701-D crew. There was a clear desire and need to show where within the timeline this episode was taking place. I think they did an outstanding job of showing how this adventure could have taken place. Funny thing, for me anyway, is Reaent and Talon just did a joint mission not too long ago dealing with that TNG episode. ;)

 

To me, it was great to see the Enterprise-D in all her glory. I really had forgotten how much I liked that ship and the new computer CGI only made it even more impressive. It's really scary to think what episodes like "The Best Of Both Worlds.." would look like if they were done today. Okay, I have to say it, I did notice one thing that bothered me. They used the wrong set for the 1701-D turbolift. It's sad that I noticed it, but what can I do? I really came across the every scene dealing with Picard's ship wishing that show was still on the air.

 

As for the plot itself with Archer and company...it was alright. I had heard rumors of Tucker's fate, though they clearly played on those rumors with the "fake out" death during the initial fight for Shran's daughter. I would have liked to see some more details as to what actually happened with this blue man, as what we heard didn't completely make sense to me. Still, overall, I kind of found the Andorian connection lacking and almost just an excuse to have Trip perish...something I didn't agree with myself. I mean, even forgetting this is the NX-01 of 5 years into the future....one that's dealt with the Romulan War....you're going to tell me they do not have internal sensors that would have detected the intruders? That security teams wouldn't have been on that deck in a heartbeat? It isn't that big of a ship....lift rides can't take that long. I just think the entire thing was poorly handled.

 

As for Brent Spiner, I knew he was making a vocal cameo. I believe I read/heard that he actually wrote those lines himself, which I think were priceless and the typical data was seem to have lost during the TNG movies. That emotion chip did a lot more harm than good for the character.

 

I think the final four minutes of the episode were...interesting. To me, I believe a line or two could have been dropped in as to our character's fate post-charter. For example, according to the "In A Mirror Darkly..." data sheet, Archer was promoted to Admiral. Eventually he runs for President of the United Federation of Planet and wins. Retires to New York, dies the day after attending the commissioning ceremony of the NCC-1701. No, you can't get all that into this episode as it isn't appropriate, but something a lot firmer would have been nice. I mean, heck, the only thing we do know is that the NX-01 survived.

 

The final...goodbye...was nice. Here I have no complaints, but to only say that I hope UPN has hardships in the future. It's a crazy day when you cancel a show who's ratings were some/if not the best on your network week after week...especially given the fact you almost never advertised the show for three years.

[JesusTrekkie 0]

::looks at everyones speeches::

 

I cried.

[Travis Kroells 0]

Prepares to be hit with random Debris.

 

I hated it. In every sense. I mean first, they cap off a series by tieing it into TNG! I mean, it would have been like Janeway looking at Holo's of Picards missions to figure out what to do in the Delta quadrant.

 

Secondly, I think they just threw Shran in there for no reason. I admit, I like his character, and the dynamics he brings, but the entire plot of the episode just stunk.

 

Then they decide to kill off Trip! And they don't even do a good job at it! They build up the suspense when they say how he isn't comming back, and then almost have him fall to his death for suspense purposes. They should have done it there. Instead, somehow Enterprise is boarded at Warp 4, and a group of what, 7 or so aliens are on top of Archer and Tucker in about ten seconds. And on top of that, when he blows up that room, all he gets is some burns and such. Sure, he dies, but it didn't even look like he was hurt that bad!!!!

 

I read somewhere about how Jolene Blalock commented on how the final episode was proof that this series needed to be canceled, and I couldn't agree more. If the twins did it just to get Riker and Troi in it, they probably could have done a hell of a lot better.

 

::now for random rants::

 

Oh, and whats up with seeing all the suporting cast for like a minute out of the entire episode? And, they did a crappy job of aging everyone one. All they did has have T'Pol's and Hoshi's hair grown out a bit more, oh, they stuck everyone with name tags too. Probably for the people who lost faith in this series after the second episode and forgot that the guy from Quantom leap was in this show.

 

God...I even liked Starwars I and II better then this...

[Holden 0]

it was good, but not the best Trek finale. TNG's for example, i thought was really good. it left me with a... "complete" feeling. this one just kind of happened. again, it was good, but definitely not the best. (i think i just repeated myself several times...oh well, im tired)

 

Holden

[ladymatrix 0]

I liked everything except two things... 1 the saving shrans daughter and 2 not letting have Archer do his speech

 

btw Travis Kroells i kind of find the last part of your post offending about people "forgot that the guy from Quantom leap was in this show."

 

its kind of hard to forget seeing Scott Bakula as Archer then remembering this guy did various episodes of quatum leap in a dress (whom i would say looked sexy in ;) )

 

but your opinion is to your own as mine is to mine

[Aaron_Westler 0]

I have to agree with Travis....The Trip death scene was a bit stupid. The time could have been used to actually show us the Archer speech, and a few minutes of each cast member's future. Like Emperess Sato (ooops, hehe) going back to Brazil, Archer with a new ship, Mayweather doing something, etc. Not just talk about it in the beginning of the episode. I did like The Riker/Troi involvement, especially Chef Riker ;) The end montage could have been donw more elaboratly, maybe the faces of the 3 captains along with teh ship?

 

Just my 2 cents....

[Cougar 0]

Worst finale episode ever. About 95% of ENT fans do agree that the episode was not good.

[Holden 0]

Worst finale episode ever. About 95% of ENT fans do agree that the episode was not good.

and its really sad that it turned out this way. i think overall, it was a good show. sure, it had its rough moments (TNG: Shades of Gray, for example) but they could've added a bit more to the final episode. i agree with everyone else on this: Archer's speech should've been added.

[Travis Kroells 0]

Matrix,

 

I dont know how I offended someone, but I did. Sorry. What I was trying to convey was that ENT lost so much of it's fan base, the Troi/Riker involvment in the finale felt like a cop out to get other Star Trek fans to tune into the finale.

 

I have nothing agaisnt Bakula, he kicks all types of ***ery.

[Kairi 0]

I think it was a good episode, but not a good finale. What's with all the downers, Trip dying and of course Elizabeth also dying.

 

The only thing I really enjoyed was Riker playing Chef. It was the only part that really felt good about the whole episode.

[Mithraia Coeur 0]

Worst finale episode ever. About 95% of ENT fans do agree that the episode was not good.

Woohoo! I am in the minority 5%! I love that. ;)

 

Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinions. It's kind of cool how that works.

 

Though.. I seem to love everything. ;)

[FredM 0]

Worst finale episode ever. About 95% of ENT fans do agree that the episode was not good.

Hey there,

 

I actually have to question your numbers here, as every Trek fan I have talked to (outside of these boards) enjoyed it.

 

I could not disagree with Travis more. While I agree the episode was perhaps not the best of the season, I think it was good one. If you want to get technical, from what I heard in the episode itself, Phlox states that he isn't dying due to external burns...apparently he supposedly breathed in some plasma that is cooking his lungs from the inside. As far as the remarks from cast about the episode being a horrible ending, I'm mixed. I do agree that it was not appropriate for a series finale, but might have made a good season finale. However, in either event, I do not think it is a "prime example of why the show should be cancelled." Also keep in mind that almost all of the show's largest critics (on cast) changed their tune during this season, citing improved writing.

 

I think you're being a bit too critical. People don't age "that much" in five years, which is the timespan from "Demons" to "These Are The Voyages...". As for other finales, I'm sorry...but I thought large portions of "All Good Things..." was wasted. Part of the reason there is that was not a series finale, since they ended shooting one day and came back a few months later to resume for the film. "Endgame" had more plot holes in it than anything and I would certainlly rate this over that. Finally, the conclusion of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine was so incomplete it wasn't even funny.

[Travis Kroells 0]

If you want to get technical, from what I heard in the episode itself, Phlox states that he isn't dying due to external burns...apparently he supposedly breathed in some plasma that is cooking his lungs from the inside.

Yeah, I heard him say that. Cant remember the exact line, but that wasn't my point.

 

After Trip does his little vailiant speel about going to you know where, the scence shifts out, and shows the explosion sending the aliens out the door into the hall. I still think that would have messed Trip up a little bit, melting lungs or not.

[NDak 0]

I actually watched the Episode. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good as "All Good Things" ;)

[MisterSmith 0]

I think most of us will agree that "All good things..." was one of the best finales ever. I think that's because after not having Trek for so long, people felt at home with the TNG crew.

 

One important thing about "These are the Voyages..." is that it shows just how important all the missions we've seen over the last four years are. We hear Counselor Troi talk about how she had to memorize the speech in grammar school. We see how the federation was basically peiced together with the mission against the Romulans. (I honestly didn't realize that was how Shran "died" until now...silly me.)

 

The episode FIRMLY established Enterprise right in the middle of all the Star Trek lore.

 

It now might be debatable, that Jonathan Archer is the greatest, most well-known Captain in Starfleet history...over Kirk or Picard.

 

It's going to be interesting to see where Star Trek goes from here.

[NDak 0]

See that is my problem. Untill now....we've never heard anyone talk about "the great" Captain Archer. Which bothers me, it would be like today if you never talked about George Washington.

 

But...then I've been opposed to this series since day one...so yeah ;)

[Cougar 0]

Hey there,

 

I actually have to question your numbers here, as every Trek fan I have talked to (outside of these boards) enjoyed it.

 

I could not disagree with Travis more. While I agree the episode was perhaps not the best of the season, I think it was good one. If you want to get technical, from what I heard in the episode itself, Phlox states that he isn't dying due to external burns...apparently he supposedly breathed in some plasma that is cooking his lungs from the inside. As far as the remarks from cast about the episode being a horrible ending, I'm mixed. I do agree that it was not appropriate for a series finale, but might have made a good season finale. However, in either event, I do not think it is a "prime example of why the show should be cancelled." Also keep in mind that almost all of the show's largest critics (on cast) changed their tune during this season, citing improved writing.

 

I think you're being a bit too critical. People don't age "that much" in five years, which is the timespan from "Demons" to "These Are The Voyages...". As for other finales, I'm sorry...but I thought large portions of "All Good Things..." was wasted. Part of the reason there is that was not a series finale, since they ended shooting one day and came back a few months later to resume for the film. "Endgame" had more plot holes in it than anything and I would certainlly rate this over that. Finally, the conclusion of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine was so incomplete it wasn't even funny.

My numbers come from People on MSN, TU, Startrek.com and others that I know.

This was a huge disrespect to the fans... Too much TNG, and What the!!!?? They didn't even show Archer's speech at the end. The TNG sets looked awful, The subplot with Shran seemed pointless, Trip dying was stupid( he could've gotten out of that situation easily). He sacrificed himself for some nameless aliens.... ;)

 

Like I said, a lot of people hated this episode. Seems Bermaga(Berman and Braga) tried to nail a coffin on the fans, if Manny Coto would've written it, we wouldn't be complaining. I guess Jolene's words of this episode being "appalling " was right. We deserved a much better episode than this.

 

Terra Prime was much better.

 

I respect your opinion though ;)

Edited May 15, 2005 by Cougar

[NDak 0]

I thought the TNG sets were cool, personally ;)

[Ron_Lunn 0]

I really loved the finale, I thought it was awesome. I don't understand why everyone is so tiffed at the Tucker death scene, this was probably one of my favorite scenes of the whole Enterprise run. I think that more of Trip's character was revealed in that episode than any other one, we really got to see how loyal he was to Archer, loyal to the point of ready to be disloyal if it meant Archer's safety, it really speaks volumes as to who he was. So sure, his wounds weren't realistic, we watch Star Trek for the stories people, if you want good effects go watch The Matrix or something.

 

The whole point of this episode was focusing on loyalty and the relationship between crew members, that was the point of having Riker's indecision in the episode. I think that Riker's storyline was excellent at showing us the effect the NX-01 crew had. People now-a-days read about historical figures such as Ghandi, or watch movies like Braveheart and use the moral questions and action that is raised in those to make better decisions in their lives, this episode showed that not only do people in the future do the same thing, but that their great heroes are the crew of the NX-01.

 

I would have liked to have heard the speech too, but for people who aren't die hard Trek fans, who don't come online at least once a week and pretend to be a Star Trek character themselves, they would have quickly changed the channel rather than listen to Archer drone on about something they don't care about. Not too mention in the previous episode Archer had a big speech about the importance of the alliance, who would want to sit through another one, other than us.

 

I thought this whole episode was great. I mean, they had to wrap up the show, think of all the plans they had in mind for the next 3 years or so that were suddenly cut short, they had to jam as much of that as possible into this episode. And for what it was, I think it was great. So sure, there were other better Trek finales, but those Treks had 3 more years to tell their stories, they didn't have to skip a time frame and fill you in with all that information as fast as possible. I think they did a great job on this, regardless of the minor things you can nitpick about. Its Trek, take the moral lesson and walk away, don't examine it like a zealous Vulcan, look at it for its human qualities, which is what Star Trek is ultimately about.

[Seiben 0]

Yeah, I enjoyed the finale alot too. Shame to see it go, but oh well that's life.

[John_Anderson 0]

Eh, it was a disappointing ending. I'll just say that. I wasn't happy with the whole Shran plot, but what can I do? Just futher proof that the BB Twins just need to go.

 

Terra Prime was a far more suiting finale, excellent episode that made you feel for the characters far more than "These are the Voyages..." Oh well.

 

::Tosses a few bills into the jar::

[DrDMatthews 0]

Overall, I enjoyed the final episode but.....

 

I didn't mind seeing Riker and Troi again. I was impressed how great they both looked in those uniforms but....Riker has aged a bit since TNG's swan song. I noticed that immediately. ;)

 

I didn't really care for what happened to Trip. It seemed pointless. If they wanted to prove he was loyal to Archer, they could have found a better way to do it. Maybe they wanted to make a connection between Trip and Spock and Data...all willing to sacrifice themselves for their Captains and crews. If that's what it was, they should have come up with a better storyline.

 

Another negative, the show ended just as Archer was about to make his speech. No Fair!! I really wanted to hear that speech.

 

The scenes in the galley with Riker as cook were pretty good. We got some great insights into the characters during those little chats. It's too bad they didn't do more of that in past episodes. We could have gotten to know that crew a lot better.

 

Data's comments were priceless! I knew he had a small speaking part in the final episode which he supposedly wrote himself. Those few seconds sure brought back a lot of pleasant memories.

 

The shots of the 1701-D were cool. But at the end, when they showed the original Enterprise....well...there were people in my house who actually screamed. That was a lovely tribute to the Trek universe.

 

Overall, it was not a fit finale for Enterprise but it was an acceptable farewell to Trek. Enterprise should have had a chance to go out with all the bells and whistles. But that didn't happen. I truly believe it would have been better if B&B had allowed Manny to write it but that's show biz. Enterprise would have been a really great show if Manny Coto had come aboard early on. As it is, I think B&B were tired of Trek and I doubt they're sorry to see it go.

 

As to what will happen to Trek now? We asked the same question in 1969 and look what happened. :D I can't wait to see it's next incarnation. I just hope Manny's in charge when that day comes.

 

Oh....one more thing....Fred, mon Capitan, for you to notice they used the wrong turbolift doors is utterly amazing and....a little pathetic. ;)