My "Mirror Universe" Theory

[Dumbass 0]

OK, I've waited for Fred's "What did you think of this week's episode?" thing but since the next one is tommow night I can't wait any longer.

 

When I saw the opener for this episode I thought I was watching the tail end of First Contact. My first reaction was "Damn, I wish I knew this was on." My second reaction was "What the heck am I worried about that for? I have the DVD, I can watch it any time I want!"

 

My THIRD reaction, however, was when Zephram Cochrane blew that Vulcan away with a sawed-off shotgun. "Gee, that was unexpected." Then I realised what we were watching. I don't mean the long-awaited Mirror Universe episede. We knew it was on that night.

 

I mean the realization that what we were watching was First Contact the way it was natually supposed to happen. Think of this. Had the Borg not attempted to change history then Riker, LaForge, Troi, Barkley, et al would not have been present to tell Cochrane about the statue, the "bionic zombies", etc.

 

Most important, however, they would not have told Cochrane - who always was a little paranoid - that the Vulcans were the good guys. Without this warning blowing the Vulcan away on sight might have been a normal thing for an eccentric paranoid Cochrane to do.

 

My theory is that it was this act of blowing the Vulcan away that started a series of events that led to the formation of the so-called Mirror Universe. But if what we saw in this episode is how things were naturally supposed to occur, and would have occurred without interference, then doesn't that mean the "alternate" universe is the way things are supposed to happen? If so that means the I. S. S. Enterprise, the bearded Spock, etc. are things that will happen in THIS universe and it is all the other Trek episodes, movies, books, etc. that are in the Mirror Universe.

 

So whatcha think?

Edited April 30, 2005 by Dumbass

[Col. C.E. Harper 0]

So whatcha think?

I think there was a reason I didn't take that "Time Travel, Quantum Theory, and You" course back in the Academy...

 

 

Seriously, it's an interesting idea. Although, given Cochrane's aspirations to $$$$, I think maybe the opportunies involved with the first alien contact might have outweighed paranoia.

[Dumbass 0]

All the more reason to kill the Vulcans and steal their technology.

[Col. C.E. Harper 0]

All the more reason to kill the Vulcans and steal their technology.

Not if you can't:

 

1.) Already operate the ship.

2.) Read Vulcan

or

3.) Understand the underlying principles of the ship design.

 

Unless you have one (preferably more) of those covered, you need at least one survivor to explain things to you.

[Dumbass 0]

Not if you can't:

 

1.) Already operate the ship.

2.) Read Vulcan

or

3.) Understand the underlying principles of the ship design.

 

Unless you have one (preferably more) of those covered, you need at least one survivor to explain things to you.

Cochrane designed, built, and flew humanity's first warp ship pretty much on his own. I'm pretty sure he could find a way to work out the rest.

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

I understand where you are coming from Vanroy, but I think the "difference in history" started far earlier than First Contact. I believe Cochran killed the Vulcan due to the way he "viewed" the world. His attitude, perspection, etc. lead him to see the aliens as someone who was going to invade. This is in, to me, stark contrast to the one we saw in First Contact (before he realized what was going on).

 

From what I saw in the opening credits, which have always run as a timeline of world events leading up to the launch of Enterprise, my theory is this. I believe, for some reason, Germany somehow managed to win World War II. I don't think global domination took place, but I think they likely remained in control of Europe for a large portion of the 20th and 21st Centuries. However, even this idea I have to question given the scenes showing the lunar landings. It's quite possible in this alternate timeline world domination did take place by Hitler.

 

One thing is clear. The United States of America, nor any world body in present form, landed on the moon. A global power (or one seeking global domination) did. To that end, World War III might have been an uprising that ended in disaster. To me, these explain quite a few things....from the opening credits, to "human attitudes" and even the "salute" used by the Empire. Whereas Starfleet grew out of the "peaceful attitudes of man" (in the world of Roddenberry), the Terran Empire grew out of the "years of sufferring and civilzed barbarianism."

 

Just my few thoughts. I think after the second part is finished, there will be tons to talk about with the Mirror, Mirror universe. I'm really glad we finally have an explaination as to how it all started...and even how the heck the Empire became so powerful so quickly.

[WxMurray 0]

I would just like to say that this was an awesome episode and I expect Part II to be the same.

[Grom 0]

Mirror Mirror FredM... A bearded man with cocconuts and a grass skirt.

 

Mirror Mirror Van Roy... A man without his beer. Oh the horror. :P

[Dumbass 0]

Mirror Mirror Van Roy... A man without his beer.  Oh the horror. ;)

Don't go there! That's not even funny. :P

 

Actually, the Arcadia recently had a "Mirror Universe" plot and they invited the Qob-Lakota crew to play extras as their Mirror Universe counterparts. The LtSG. Van Roy character was a Vulcan drunken frat boy (played by the real-life Van Roy, another drunken frat boy). :P

 

Actually, I ended up being the hero of the plot. Some of the Arcadia crew were being jailed - solitary confinement actually - on the prison planet Risa and we had to break them out. Moose asked me how to get to solitary confinement and my answer was "Well, peeing on a guard's boot did it last time."

Edited April 29, 2005 by Dumbass

[Kansas_Jones 0]

My theory is that it was this act of blowing the Vulcan away that started a series of events that led to the formation of the so-called Mirror Universe.  But if what we saw in this episode is how things were naturally supposed to occur, and would have occurred without interference, then doesn't that mean the "alternate" universe is the way things are supposed to happen?  If so that means the I. S. S. Enterprise, the bearded Spock, etc. are things that will happen in THIS universe and it is all the other Trek episodes, movies, books, etc. that are in the Mirror Universe.

 

So whatcha think?

 

I like the idea a lot.

 

Then again I could be biased - "Mirror, Mirror" from the Original Series remains my favorite episode out of all of the Treks, and I've always been a sucker for any of the "Trek's Alternate Evil Universe" adventures.

 

Again, good idea. :P

Edited April 29, 2005 by Kansas_Jones

[Travis Kroells 0]

All I can say is....

 

Emperess Sato

 

ROFL to the max!

 

...I'd bow down to her...

[Seiben 0]

 

...I'd bow down to her...

Likewise. Oh yeah.. anytime.. :P Heh heh...

[Dumbass 0]

I've always been a sucker for any of the "Trek's Alternate Evil Universe" adventures.

I disagree. I think the DS9 episodes totally ruined the concept. They ceased to be a "Mirror Universe" and instead became an "Opposite Universe". Polite Ferengi, Cardassian slaves, a kinky Kira with same-sex tendencies, etc. It was supposed to be an alternate timeline, not an opposite timeline.

 

In "Mirror, Mirror" at least the same characters had the same attributes as their "normal" counterparts. The bearded Spock was still logical. Kirk was still a womanizer. Sulu and Chekhov were still ambitious. Other characters, Enterprise included, were also very similar to their counterparts (although I do think Bakula was overacting). The key differences were in the situations they were in, not their personal or species attributes.

[Travis Kroells 0]

Yep, I tend to agree with Vanroy. The concept of the Mirror universe wasn't "Lets make Hoshi a concubine, and have Archer be a speciest madman!" The idea was, (or at least how I took it) "What if humans hadn't cleaned up their act? Stopped their greedy tendencies, lust for war, and what not? What would the universe be like, if the people of today were starfleet?"

 

And I think that's how it'd turn out.

[Dumbass 0]

Well, actually, I rather enjoyed the Hoshi parts.

[Travis Kroells 0]

::smirks::

 

I didn't say I didn't. And I didn't even say what they did was wrong. I liked the ENT mirror universe. It stayed true whole "alternate timeline". Tucker wasn't a freak for the heck of it. If the empire was militaristic in nature, you'd bet they would promote more R&D to weapons and defense then protecting Engineers from radiation and what not.

 

Of course, theres no real reason Hoshi was like that, but again...I'm not complaining :P. Mayweathers haircut was kinda stupid, and it made sense that Reed was a Maco, since like...yeah.

 

I also didn't mind seeing T'Pol in that cut off uniform...

 

Long live the empire!!!

[mtporter 0]

I also didn't mind seeing T'Pol in that cut off uniform...

So I missed the begining part of both episodes, can anyone explain why the women had to wear the skanky uniforms. Did they say and I just missed it or was there soome reason for the crop top look?

[Col. C.E. Harper 0]

So I missed the begining part of both episodes, can anyone explain why the women had to wear the skanky uniforms. Did they say and I just missed it or was there soome reason for the crop top look?

Mostly because TOS started it.

 

But if you're looking for something resembling a logical explanation, I offer the following: Because it's easier to assassinate someone if they're distracted by your... better attributes.

[Montague 0]

The reason why they were wearing those uniforms was not explain to us, but it is obvious that they wanted to underscore the degradation of different species and genders by the empire. They like their women hot and human. LOL.

 

The concept of an alternate universes always fascinated me and the way that this particular series explores it is much better then that of DS9. And my opinion this episode may well be the best of all the enterprise series.

Edited April 30, 2005 by Montague

[Vex Xiang 0]

I loved it. The twist at the end was just spectacular! I never saw it coming.

[WxMurray 0]

Yes, I was so surprised at the ending. I couold not believe it. It wass so incredibly awesome.

[Dumbass 0]

So I missed the begining part of both episodes, can anyone explain why the women had to wear the skanky uniforms. Did they say and I just missed it or was there soome reason for the crop top look?

Ratings.

[OHNO 0]

Ratings.

Why would they care about ratings? There is only 3 more to go. I think they just would like to go out with some style. the first two years didn't have any of that. Im looking foward to the last 3. :P

[Aaron_Westler 0]

This was an awesome two-part series, I can't wait for the final 3 episodes...

 

::runs off to Moose/Moore:: Can weeee ppplllleeeeaseeee have a Mirror universe plot? I want to meet the Empress :P ;)

[WxMurray 0]

So I missed the begining part of both episodes, can anyone explain why the women had to wear the skanky uniforms. Did they say and I just missed it or was there soome reason for the crop top look?

Because that's the way things work in the Mirror Universe. Remember in "Mirror, Mirror" that Uhura and the rest of the female crewmembers were more revealing uniforms than the miniskirts they usually wore.