The Fate of ENT....... IMPORTANT, all must read!

[Cougar 0]

Copying this from TU. Tim couldn't announce this in the chat do to some hackers :P

 

anyways :

 

Tim can not get into the chat room. Seems someone has been up to some dirty tricks there. So here is the announcement. Tim can also not log onto the forum for some reason.

 

 

 

Paramount has agreed to do a release on our combined efforts proving that we were involved with these talks, negotiations or whatever you choose to call them. This is supposed to come from Mr. Wentworth’s office. We will see if they stay true to this. I have NO doubts that many of you will contact him. Please feel free to do so.

 

 

 

First, let me start off by saying that the way that most fans have united here is astounding. Most have all pulled together to try and keep Enterprise and Star Trek alive. I would also like to add that I am not sure why some on other forums were so mistrusting of what we as fans we were trying to do. It really saddens me that we could not all pull together in this to try and make a positive impact on the future of Enterprise and Star Trek.

 

 

 

Although non of our members that have contributed to the campaign have complained, most everyone else has. It boggles the mind that people do not have at least some trust in the fellow fans. It does not matter what series you are a fan of. They all push for unity as well as peace and that is not what all of the fans here on the internet have made this about. It has turned into a total concept of who is going to win and who is going to loose.

 

 

That has been wrong from the start and should not have come down that way by either side. If you were not happy with the way we were doing things. OFFER suggestions not criticism. Not one of the people putting down our efforts even tried to offer advice or contacted me personally to say “try this” or you might want to run this by your staff.

 

 

 

Here are the facts. We have been in talks with Paramount. We have brought millions and millions to the table to keep the show going. We have had two companies in Canada that were involved in trying to move it to Canada. We also proposed another way of keeping it in the U.S so that no one would have to move. This was all thought out very well in advanced and pushed forward not by just the staff at Trek United but by the other Canadian Companies as well.

 

 

We had many people involved in this outside of Trek United. We are NOT producers, directors or know anything about the television business. This is why we got in touch with people who were. We made a proposal to these companies in Canada and they wanted to take it to the next level which was Paramount.

 

 

 

The main problem here seems to be us accepting fan money. This will no longer be an issue. Starting Monday or Tuesday. Andrew our attorney and I will start the forms and refunding all money that our members have contributed to this campaign as per the TOS.

 

 

 

With this being said. The money from the fans was meant to make a point and that is what happened. People stood up and took notice. The media ate it up. Paramount has noticed us to say the least. We have taken this campaign to new heights beyond any other. We let them know that we would not go quietly into the night without speaking our mind.

 

 

 

A lot of our staff and members have taken a lot of abuse from others on forums and various places for standing up for what they believe in and something that they hold dear which is this wonderful world of Star Trek. Most of our members stand for what Star Trek is all about. Unity, peace and working together for a common cause and we did this against incredible odds which to be honest I thought was Paramount. I never dreamed that we would be fighting fans in this battle as well. This is NOT what Star Trek is all about.

 

 

 

For the people that have supported us from the start and for the ones that continue to do so. Please hang tight. You have done everything that you could to try and make this happen. It is plain to see that this is not about money, ratings and or anything else other than politics with UPN and Paramount or somewhere else.

 

 

 

Our final proposal was knocked down by Paramount. We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise. All money as I stated earlier will be refunded starting Monday or Tuesday of this week. We will not allow people bashing our efforts on our own forums. Please keep in mind that our members are fans just like you are. If you feel the need to rejoice over this.. Please direct your email to me. [email protected]

 

 

 

For the members that have supported us Thank you. We are all winners. We had the dream that we could make this happen. Trek United will continue to be here and we will explore new ideas, but the fan donation part if it has made the point we intended it to .

 

 

 

Tim

 

B) B)

[WxMurray 0]

Well, at least we tried.

[Jamie Kroells 0]

::puts up a "I think I said this would never work months ago" sign::

[koolaidman 0]

sorry for evybosy who wqanted to see it keep going on. im not real upset about it ending but i know plenty who are, amybe sothing good will come of this/

[Cougar 0]

Sorry, I formally ask you to not bash the show. I know some of your opinions but we had the best fan campaign ever launched.

 

TU will live on, we will still be here. Stuff will change.

 

Stay tuned for more info

[Seiben 0]

Oh well.. Hate to say "I told you so". But, it was a good try on your part. I'll give you that. B)

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

While I will freely admit I donated to the Trek United cause and sincerely hoped it would succeed, remarks I started reading back in March really had me concerned. Allow me to explain.

 

I think it is no small fact to note that UPN cancelled this show with over half of it's season still unseen. Furthermore, it based the cancellation on Neilson ratings which have since been found to have been in error (according to Neilson, none of their 2005 season ratings included digital cable...which accounts for a large number of viewers in major markets). The astonishing thing dealt with the fact that many of Star Trek: Enterprise's episodes since the cancellation have brought in some of the highest ratings in the incaration's history. So much so that, I believe in February, for several weeks Captain Archer and crew were the highest rated show on the UPN network.

 

Yet they are cancelling it? Interesting.

 

I grew even more concerned when I read reports that Mr. Braga was pushing to get involved into projects within CBS. This has since come true, with him now serving as a Producer for some show who's title I cannot recall. From his perspective, and own personal remarks, I believe he wanted Enterprise to end. The reason also relates to remarks by Rick Berman.

 

Rick Berman, for the past eighteen months, has made public remarks about how Star Trek: Enterprise would likely be coming to an end. He also started to believe that "Star Trek needed a break." While I can accept that, I have to question motives. Braga and him were leads of Star Trek: Voyager and then Star Trek: Enterprise. Let's connect a few dots here.

 

Their involvement with Captain Janeway and company declined drastically in Season 6, with very little involvement in Season 7. If you ask most viewers, myself included, what happened to the quality of the show during those two seasons? Most agree they became some of the best in Star Trek: Voyager's history. At the same time, the first three seasons of Enterprise were...well...okay to put it simply. There were moments, but that was it. Yet, in season four, Manny Coto came aboard. Under his direction, the show started to have something of a rebirth. Ratings started to stablize, viewer feedback grew extremely positive and I know there have been numerous reports of folks who had turned away from the show giving it a second glance.

 

Again, being who I am, I have to wonder. With Manny Coto's success with Star Trek: Enterprise, was it in the best interest of Rick Berman and Braga to have the show continue? I ask this keeping in mind that Braga's contract with Trek expired earlier this year and Rick Berman's is scheduled to conclude in about a year. Does anyone else think someone higher up, saying Star Trek: Enterprise continued in the direction Season 4 was headed, would not have taken notice? Could we have seen Manny Coto's involvement increase in other Trek projects?

 

With all respect to those involved, this even got to the point where Braga was going around saying "There are no more Star Trek products in the works and I doubt we will see another for five to ten years", yet Rick Berman (and Paramount) has confirmed the person who wrote the screenplay for HBO's Band of Brothers miniseries is at work on the script for Star Trek XI. So again, would having Archer's crew continue under leadership that didn't involve Braga and limited involvement by Berman...who was suddenly becoming successful...cast them in a negative light?

 

I honestly don't know, but I wouldn't rule it out. The above just seems a little too...odd for me. In the meantime, while fans were trying to save the show, Berman and Braga made no bones about wanting it to end. Yet, Manny Coto...who's moving on to be a part of FOX's 24 (and will likely be successful anywhere he goes)...was saying it didn't need to end, that there was potential. Very....interesting, to me anyway.

 

The only hope I hold is that supposedly Manny Coto himself has a thought for what Series VI could be. In the same light, several folks have heard his idea and believe it would be a success. Though he's stated it won't even be proposed to Paramount for some time, the rumor mill is that it will deal with a jump in the future...similiar to the TOS - TNG seperation.

 

As for those who believed Trek United could never succeed, let's remember that we are talking about a franchise whose entire existence today was the result of a fan campaign over thirty years ago. It has happened before, and will happen again. I believe it is clear that, when you have fans willing to cover a solid ten percent of the production costs for each episode and you refuse, a major continuity hole is put into the complaint "We were loosing money."

 

If nothing else, I feel this entire situation will cast Paramount and especially UPN in a negative light as far as Trek fans are concerned. The sad truth is, they believe that the fans will be there no matter what. Anything can be produced and with a Star Trek label, will be successful. One might have thought that after the poor results from Star Trek: Nemesis and the first few seasons of Star Trek: Enterprise that thought would have been destroyed. However, apparently, it hasn't clicked yet.

 

On another note, I don't believe UPN has found a show to replace Star Trek: Enterprise on it's Fall schedule. Go figure.

[Cougar 0]

Hey there,

 

While I will freely admit I donated to the Trek United cause and sincerely hoped it would succeed, remarks I started reading back in March really had me concerned. Allow me to explain.

 

I think it is no small fact to note that UPN cancelled this show with over half of it's season still unseen. Furthermore, it based the cancellation on Neilson ratings which have since been found to have been in error (according to Neilson, none of their 2005 season ratings included digital cable...which accounts for a large number of viewers in major markets). The astonishing thing dealt with the fact that many of Star Trek: Enterprise's episodes since the cancellation have brought in some of the highest ratings in the incaration's history. So much so that, I believe in February, for several weeks Captain Archer and crew were the highest rated show on the UPN network.

 

Yet they are cancelling it? Interesting.

 

I grew even more concerned when I read reports that Mr. Braga was pushing to get involved into projects within CBS. This has since come true, with him now serving as a Producer for some show who's title I cannot recall. From his perspective, and own personal remarks, I believe he wanted Enterprise to end. The reason also relates to remarks by Rick Berman.

 

Rick Berman, for the past eighteen months, has made public remarks about how Star Trek: Enterprise would likely be coming to an end. He also started to believe that "Star Trek needed a break." While I can accept that, I have to question motives. Braga and him were leads of Star Trek: Voyager and then Star Trek: Enterprise. Let's connect a few dots here.

 

Their involvement with Captain Janeway and company declined drastically in Season 6, with very little involvement in Season 7. If you ask most viewers, myself included, what happened to the quality of the show during those two seasons? Most agree they became some of the best in Star Trek: Voyager's history. At the same time, the first three seasons of Enterprise were...well...okay to put it simply. There were moments, but that was it. Yet, in season four, Manny Coto came aboard. Under his direction, the show started to have something of a rebirth. Ratings started to stablize, viewer feedback grew extremely positive and I know there have been numerous reports of folks who had turned away from the show giving it a second glance.

 

Again, being who I am, I have to wonder. With Manny Coto's success with Star Trek: Enterprise, was it in the best interest of Rick Berman and Braga to have the show continue? I ask this keeping in mind that Braga's contract with Trek expired earlier this year and Rick Berman's is scheduled to conclude in about a year. Does anyone else think someone higher up, saying Star Trek: Enterprise continued in the direction Season 4 was headed, would not have taken notice? Could we have seen Manny Coto's involvement increase in other Trek projects?

 

With all respect to those involved, this even got to the point where Braga was going around saying "There are no more Star Trek products in the works and I doubt we will see another for five to ten years", yet Rick Berman (and Paramount) has confirmed the person who wrote the screenplay for HBO's Band of Brothers miniseries is at work on the script for Star Trek XI. So again, would having Archer's crew continue under leadership that didn't involve Braga and limited involvement by Berman...who was suddenly becoming successful...cast them in a negative light?

 

I honestly don't know, but I wouldn't rule it out. The above just seems a little too...odd for me. In the meantime, while fans were trying to save the show, Berman and Braga made no bones about wanting it to end. Yet, Manny Coto...who's moving on to be a part of FOX's 24 (and will likely be successful anywhere he goes)...was saying it didn't need to end, that there was potential. Very....interesting, to me anyway.

 

The only hope I hold is that supposedly Manny Coto himself has a thought for what Series VI could be. In the same light, several folks have heard his idea and believe it would be a success. Though he's stated it won't even be proposed to Paramount for some time, the rumor mill is that it will deal with a jump in the future...similiar to the TOS - TNG seperation.

 

As for those who believed Trek United could never succeed, let's remember that we are talking about a franchise whose entire existence today was the result of a fan campaign over thirty years ago. It has happened before, and will happen again. I believe it is clear that, when you have fans willing to cover a solid ten percent of the production costs for each episode and you refuse, a major continuity hole is put into the complaint "We were loosing money."

 

If nothing else, I feel this entire situation will cast Paramount and especially UPN in a negative light as far as Trek fans are concerned. The sad truth is, they believe that the fans will be there no matter what. Anything can be produced and with a Star Trek label, will be successful. One might have thought that after the poor results from Star Trek: Nemesis and the first few seasons of Star Trek: Enterprise that thought would have been destroyed. However, apparently, it hasn't clicked yet.

 

On another note, I don't believe UPN has found a show to replace Star Trek: Enterprise on it's Fall schedule. Go figure.

Fred, I heard they are replacing ENT with A Britney Spears show. Swear to god. B)

[WxMurray 0]

Yeah, Enterprise has been replaced with yet more reality TV.

 

Some are speculatiing that perhaps Star Trek XI is Paramount's way of keeping Berman busy until his contract expires, and once he's gone they will be more prone to bringing back Trek.

 

I wonder, is it possible that, depending on DVD sales and syndication ratings, Paramount might elect to try Enterpise again after Berman is gone?

[NDak 0]

Well, this isn't really all that shocking to me. I've been warning of this momment for...oh...several months now...but I won't be to negative...

 

I am pleased to see a little action out of the Trek fans, though.

[Seiben 0]

No.. no.. hackers in the Trek United Chatroom. This has nothing to do with STSF. B)

[Kansas_Jones 0]

I heard they are replacing ENT with A Britney Spears show. Swear to god. B)

:P B)

 

I sent off a few letters helping with the campaign, and signed an on line petition...I NEVER do that sort of thing with regard to TV. I very much enjoyed Enterprise, and just wanted it to continue and be given a chance for a bit longer.

 

Nice job everyone on the effort.

 

Long Live Trek.

[Dumbass 0]

Fred, I heard they are replacing ENT with A Britney Spears show. Swear to god. B)

Well they better do it quick then. Won't be long before she starts to show.

[Travis Kroells 0]

Well they better do it quick then. Won't be long before she starts to show.

God, I can't believe someone actually let those two breed...I mean sheesh, the collective IQ of the world just droped a couple of points. I think this is how it went down.

 

"Gosh Kevin! Since I'm not making anymoney anymore since I um aint singin no more, lets just deny my babyin until everyones good'n curious, and then cash out and display it on UPN!!!"

 

"...Whatever, can I have my allowance yet?"

 

B)

[Nemesis 0]

Well good to hear that they're replacing it with quality television programming *goes back to watching the simple life, Ashlee Simpson show, and Newlyweds*

[STSF NDak 0]

::nudges them all back onto topic::

[Saek tr'Vosh 0]

::nudges them all back onto topic::

See...see how he throws his power about...not even 2 months into it... B)

 

( I still think Sci Fi should take the show for NEXT season to fill SG1's slot)

 

He just comes in and pushes peoples topics around....

 

::best Monty Voice:: HELP..we're being repressed.... :P

[STSF NDak 0]

See...see how he throws his power about...not even 2 months into it... B)

 

( I still think Sci Fi should take the show for NEXT season to fill SG1's slot)

 

He just comes in and pushes peoples topics around....

 

::best Monty Voice:: HELP..we're being repressed.... :P

Heh, not flexing my muscles...just reminding people to stay on topic B) If you want to talk about Brit and her hubby start a new topic :P

[Travis Kroells 0]

Why would SG-1's slot need to be filled?

[STSF Precip 0]

I think we can say with quite certainty, that the Star Trek Franchise will be returning to its "cash cow" state as some would describe a period of time without Trek on TV. Paramount content with revenue generated by books, videos...et al.

 

Anything done in the future..will have to have Mr. Berman's nod...or blessing. This includes the person who takes the reigns when Mr. Berman's contract is up of course. As to who that would be time will only tell.

 

Enterprise was a great risk...The premise fresh. But the premise could not escape tangling with the proberbial concept of "revisionist history." A most disagreeable idea to some, which in my opinion deterred some potential viewers.

 

If it sounds as if I am basically saying it isnt coming back on TV ..I am. And if by miraculous chance I end up being wrong...feel free to pull this up and paste it saying Precip blew the forecast!

 

 

-Precip

 

 

Precip

[Cougar 0]

I think we can say with quite certainty, that the Star Trek Franchise will be returning to its "cash cow" state as some would describe a period of time without Trek on TV. Paramount content with revenue generated by books, videos...et al.

 

Anything done in the future..will have to have Mr. Berman's nod...or blessing. This includes the person who takes the reigns when Mr. Berman's contract is up of course. As to who that would be time will only tell.

 

Enterprise was a great risk...The premise fresh. But the premise could not escape tangling with the proberbial concept of "revisionist history." A most disagreeable idea to some, which in my opinion deterred some potential viewers.

 

If it sounds as if I am basically saying it isnt coming back on TV ..I am. And if by miraculous chance I end up being wrong...feel free to pull this up and paste it saying Precip blew the forecast!

 

 

-Precip

 

 

Precip

Star Trek will return, No Doubt

 

Oh and Berman only has about a year left on his contract <_<

I hope Coto takes over :D

[Dumbass 0]

If it sounds as if I am basically saying it isnt coming back on TV ..I am. And if by miraculous chance I end up being wrong...feel free to pull this up and paste it saying Precip blew the forecast!

...And thus started Precip's career as a weatherman. <_<

[WxMurray 0]

...And thus started Precip's career as a weatherman. <_<

Hey, I'm pretty good at forecasting and getting it right! :D

[Cougar 0]

Efforts to get Paramount to reconsider is happening....

 

But how can Paramount turn down 63 million?

More about the 63 million will be posted on TFU later. But really the 3 million, plus what Al Vinci( Canadian Producer in talks) was offering 15 million. That makes 18 million, then there's something about other media sources willing to pay about 30-40 million...

 

I heard it's about 63 million, though not quite sure on the exact number.

So remember, there's still hope... just that the fan contribution has ended.

 

Also, tonight at TU is a chat with the staff at 8pm Eastern time. There's Q&A chats with the staff on every tuesday <_<

 

So stay tuned for more updates :D

[Darrik 0]

Fred, I heard they are replacing ENT with A Britney Spears show. Swear to god.  <_<

don't forget Brother Voodoo! :P ^_^ :blink: :D :ph34r: