Who is going to apply for Agincourt?

[Dustin_Marks 0]

I hardly consider Enterprise Canon anyways... Call it close-mindedness or whatever you want, but half of the established Canon things (Meeting the Klingons comes to mind immediately) were totally ignored in ENT.

[Cougar 0]

I hardly consider Enterprise Canon anyways... Call it close-mindedness or whatever you want, but half of the established Canon things (Meeting the Klingons comes to mind immediately) were totally ignored in ENT.

Yet........ it is part of star trek...... st.com says it is star trek so it is canon.

[Atragon9 0]

Hmmm, maybe it's a full moon?? Ladies and Gentlemen. I will say it again as a final "told ya so."

 

If you start getting nasty or personal with your responses, they will be edited, pulled and/or the thread will be closed down. If we find the same people are continually causing problems on the Boards, we will adjust their ability to make this sort of trouble. I do not mean to say this as a nasty threat, in and of itself, I just want to remind everyone that we can have spirited discussions without them devolving into Flames. That way, everyone will have a better time here.

 

Thank you.

 

 

[FredM 0]

They just wore a differant uniform they were never formally introduced canonly that they were in fact Marines.

Hey there,

 

First...in regards to the above. Your statement is true and, in fact, proves the point. In the entire history of Star Trek, different "branches" of Starfleet have used different uniforms. Science division wore a different uniform than the regular military wing, as seen in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. This took place several times during the run of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Ships were clearly part of Starfleet, but not under it's "military/space naval" wing.

 

In the same light, those attending at the Academy have a different uniform. As Star Trek: Enterprise has shown, MACOs existed and I doubt very seriously that division would vanish. In the same light, it's quite clear that during the Dominion War, the actual physical size of Starfleet became known. When they go to retake DS9 itself, remarks made seem to indiciate the Allied forces attacking number over 600. Ground forces have to be a part of this. Later episodes actually confirm that there are over 1500 vessels within striking distance of Cardassian space within the Klingon fleet.

 

Many "canon" statements support and confirm the existence of what has only been classified as "Starfleet troops" (see st.com). This means Starfleet itself does have a ground based military wing. Perhaps the most important statement is a minor one, made with Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. The VHS release of the film included 2:15 minutes cut from the original version. This included who the actual Klingon gunman was. Quoting, a Starfleet Admiral states "That's Colonel West" (played by Rene Auberjunois). For what it's worth, Gene Roddenberry himself suggested that such a division existed. Good enough for me. :P

 

Second, in regard to folks thinking that STSF is "top heavy," I'd have to disagree. You really only have two sims (in post-DS9 era) who have "modern/modern" ships...the U.S.S. Excalibur and U.S.S. Arcadia (Sovereign Class). The Manticore is a Nebula Class, with Republic being a Galaxy Class. Both are designs now over fifteen years in age. The I.K.C. Qob, don't think you'd count them given their non-pure Starfleet style. Reaent is a refitted Ambassador Class, a design over twenty-five years in age. Finally, Sky Harbor Aegis is a modified Jovian Class starbase...similiar to Jupiter Station in appearance.

 

Third, as to Star Trek: Enterprise being considered canon, it is. Whether or not you wish to accept that is another story. Yes, it's cutting a thin line with certain things, however almost nothing within the show has (after a story has been completely told, aka Vulcan attitudes) clearly violated canon in such a way to create a major conflict.

[WxMurray 0]

Myself, I would say that the MACOs are an early form of Marines, although we never see anyone like them anywhere else. I would think that the Hazard Team from the Star Trek Elite Force games would be considered Marines.

Edited February 15, 2005 by WxMurray

[Dustin_Marks 0]

Yeah, I suppose it is Canon... I do agree too it hasn't done anything to jeopardize the ST timeline although for a picky person like me... Blah. lol

 

However, for my own personal acceptance, I still am using TOS as my basis for Canon facts!!! GO VELOUR!!! :P

Edited February 15, 2005 by Dustin_Marks

[DaryusZaphodDracal 0]

In Star Trek 5, there was a group that went down to Nimbus 3 with Kirk and Spock. It was never explained if they were a special security force or marines. I would believe there would be a special military force in starfleet for such things as hostage situations or the like. And, that there would be an attachment on each starship, especially cruisers, destroyers and such. ::drops 2 cents into the bucket::

As for joining the Agincourt, probably not. It sounds like it's going to be a great sim, but I'm already in two. Best of luck to the crew though. :P

 

Zaphod,

"Meow, I say meow boy!"

[Cadet Munro 0]

I will be joining the Uss Agincourt :P When i graduate from StarFleet Academy

[Kansas_Jones 0]

Hmmm, maybe it's a full moon??  Ladies and Gentlemen.  I will say it again as a final "told ya so."

 

If you start getting nasty or personal with your responses, they will be edited, pulled and/or the thread will be closed down.  If we find the same people are continually causing problems on the Boards, we will adjust their ability to make this sort of trouble.  I do not mean to say this as a nasty threat, in and of itself, I just want to remind everyone that we can have spirited discussions without them devolving into Flames.  That way, everyone will have a better time here.

 

Thank you.

 

 

Know what I like about Trek and being part of STSF?

 

I've been in gaming clans where the message board flames were unbeleivable, the command staffs let them go on, and its unbeleivable how words can be turned around.

 

It's easy to get caught up - in one post (yes, I was a command staffer) I lost my temper due to an on going thread. I was "red, bold and loud" and it made me realize "losing temper on a gaming message board just isn't worth it" - I apoligized in a later post.

 

STSF is SO NOT like that, at all. Everyone is really great with the threads, even when it gets "hot" :P . Heck, even when things get hot around here, its still calm! lol!

 

Trek is such a BIG universe to play in, that's what makes its possible for all this banter / discussion on things canon or non canon on these boards. These boards are da bomb for the Trek discussions. :D

 

Luck to all who apply to Agincourt.

Edited February 15, 2005 by Kansas_Jones

[NDak 0]

Hey there,

 

First...in regards to the above. Your statement is true and, in fact, proves the point. In the entire history of Star Trek, different "branches" of Starfleet have used different uniforms. Science division wore a different uniform than the regular military wing, as seen in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. This took place several times during the run of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Ships were clearly part of Starfleet, but not under it's "military/space naval" wing.

 

In the same light, those attending at the Academy have a different uniform. As Star Trek: Enterprise has shown, MACOs existed and I doubt very seriously that division would vanish. In the same light, it's quite clear that during the Dominion War, the actual physical size of Starfleet became known. When they go to retake DS9 itself, remarks made seem to indiciate the Allied forces attacking number over 600. Ground forces have to be a part of this. Later episodes actually confirm that there are over 1500 vessels within striking distance of Cardassian space within the Klingon fleet.

 

Many "canon" statements support and confirm the existence of what has only been classified as "Starfleet troops" (see st.com). This means Starfleet itself does have a ground based military wing.  Perhaps the most important statement is a minor one, made with Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. The VHS release of the film included 2:15 minutes cut from the original version. This included who the actual Klingon gunman was. Quoting, a Starfleet Admiral states "That's Colonel West" (played by Rene Auberjunois). For what it's worth, Gene Roddenberry himself suggested that such a division existed. Good enough for me. :P

 

Second, in regard to folks thinking that STSF is "top heavy," I'd have to disagree. You really only have two sims (in post-DS9 era) who have "modern/modern" ships...the U.S.S. Excalibur and U.S.S. Arcadia (Sovereign Class). The Manticore is a Nebula Class, with Republic being a Galaxy Class. Both are designs now over fifteen years in age. The I.K.C. Qob, don't think you'd count them given their non-pure Starfleet style. Reaent is a refitted Ambassador Class, a design over twenty-five years in age. Finally, Sky Harbor Aegis is a modified Jovian Class starbase...similiar to Jupiter Station in appearance.

 

Third, as to Star Trek: Enterprise being considered canon, it is. Whether or not you wish to accept that is another story. Yes, it's cutting a thin line with certain things, however almost nothing within the show has (after a story has been completely told, aka Vulcan attitudes) clearly violated canon in such a way to create a major conflict.

 

Yes...and I think one of the Movies has Marines in them as well...Umm Search for Spock I think.

 

I don't have any problem with "Marines" so long as their role is clearly defined. I think it would be pluasuable that Starfleet would likely have a branch that was ntohing but Marines.

 

Espically during the Dominion War, it would be hard for me to imagine that the Federation could have taken many systems with out a seprate ground assault force.

Edited February 15, 2005 by NDak

[Vex Xiang 0]

This thread should answer your basic questions.

http://www.stsf.net/forums/index.php?showt...t=0entry37458

If you have any further questions, feel free and post them to that thread, I'll be glad to answer them.

 

Thanks!

 

Adding to the marine discussion, I think they can be a decent addition to a sim but in practicality, what would they do? Both the marines and the security department have the same duties, but (as Ive seen arranged in other marine sims) the SECs usually handle shipboard security while the marines are mostly external. Really SEC is responsible for all of that, IMO, and splitting it into two departments only gives either department less to do.

 

Also I notice that sometimes marine departments start making their own weapons and we get mega-super-mini-torpedoes that launch from a wristwatch or something. But just briefing over Davis' comments on the link he posted here, it doesn't look like Agincourt will be deviating much from canon technologies...which is nice. But I think I'll post any further questions to that board itself :P

[Nemesis 0]

Also I notice that sometimes marine departments start making their own weapons and we get mega-super-mini-torpedoes that launch from a wristwatch or something. But just briefing over Davis' comments on the link he posted here, it doesn't look like Agincourt will be deviating much from canon technologies...which is nice. But I think I'll post any further questions to that board itself :P

Yeah, that type of stuff always annoyed me, it's usually done by godmods though.

[FredM 0]

Yeah, that type of stuff always annoyed me, it's usually done by godmods though.

Hey there,

 

Actually, in my experience, a marine division has replaced the security division aboard a starship. Most games in this aspect refer to the modern day Navy, where Marines are responsible for internal security duties in addition to exterior work when required.

[James_Azzar 0]

I wish I could graduate to get to apply for this ship...

Edited February 16, 2005 by James_Azzar

[AndrewLyon 0]

I might join, but honestly. As much as I poke my nose on these forums time to time *grabs the free donut*, it would take something dramatic to hauil me out of retirement.

Edited February 16, 2005 by AndrewLyon

[Travis Kroells 0]

Meh, it was enough to drag me out. But maybe that means I have low standards...?

 

Besides, this is an excelent way to tell the oh....6th arc of my Travis Kroells story line.

[WxMurray 0]

I might join, but honestly. As much as I poke my nose on these forums time to time *grabs the free donut*, it would take something dramatic to hauil me out of retirement.

Hey! Who's handing out donuts?

[Nemesis 0]

Meh, it was enough to drag me out. But maybe that means I have low standards...?

 

Besides, this is an excelent way to tell the oh....6th arc of my Travis Kroells story line.

Me too, mainly cause I think the hosts are cool and always had super fun sims and I always thought an advanced sim controlled by them would be le tre awesome