Starship Class

[Sam_SemaJ 0]

however good or bad it looked, you have to admit that the scimitar looks quite intimidating...

 

for the record i thought it looked cool, and it was cool to watch all the little firing whatnots come out for the radiation wepon

[NDak 0]

It looks like a bloated Bird of Prey!

[KhreRiovtRex 0]

I like the new Warbird seen in Nemesis. That's an awesome looking ship.

Yea, but as far as we're concerned on the Talon, Nemesis never occured. It wipes out 35 years of known Rihannsu history, so we don't use it at all on our sim. There were so many inconsistencies and contraditions with previously stated things, that we as a whole, decided that movie is best used as a coaster. Granted, we go by alot of the written book stuff, but all carries the Paramount stamp on it, and that's good enough for us. Seriously..romulan ale is blue..not clear!

 

What they should have done for a protaganist, was done a storyline around Tomalok, who had always sparred with Picard, and Andrea Katsulas is one heck of a good actor.

[Vex Xiang 0]

That would have been a good 'nemesis'.

 

I thought the clone idea was kinda lame.

[Sam_SemaJ 0]

Seriously..romulan ale is blue..not clear!

ummm...i know they talked about it....but when do they actually show romulan ale??

 

You know what is cool in Nemesis? "Riker's Strut" thats the jazz tune played at the wedding, it was written by Mike Lang, and I havn't been able to find music or midi for it anywhere. So i just listened and jotted the melody down, and I played it at a gig with a jazz quarted, if you aren't familiar with it, watch the movie and listen, its great! ;)

[WxMurray 0]

I don't believe they showed Romulan Ale in the movie.

 

I thought the music was excellent, as it usually is with a Jerry Goldsmith score. The Riker's strut was also good, as was Data singing "Blue Skies". I wish the scene where Riker plays his trombone at the wedding wasn't cut (as I am a trombonist). With any luck it will be included with the special edition DVD when it comes out.

[Sam_SemaJ 0]

;) Unfortunately the great Mr. Goldsmith is no longer with us. let us all pay tribute to one of film musics greatest composers

[Seiben 0]

I enjoyed the Romulan Academy Sim but I'm not sure about joining the Talon. In any case, Jolan Tru.

The Talon actually isn't so hard to sim in, as you might think. It isn't actually required to speak Rihannsu in there, and even when we do.. it's only a few words here and there. And like the acadamies, you've only to ask one of the other players or one of the GMs to translate for you. That was actually I was hesitant to join the Talon too when I graduated, but when the Arcadia had it's joint sim with the Talon last January, I saw that it wasn't that hard at all to sim there, and actually.. alot of fun. :D But you know.. it does take a certain player to actually be interested in siming on the Talon, watch a few of the Talon sims if you have time, then you can get a feel of how we sim, and make it a bit easier for you if you do indeed want to join the Talon.

 

::tosses in his 5 cents Canadian towards the Talon's cause::

Edited January 15, 2005 by Seiben

[JerryGraham 0]

Mine is either the Akira cause is looks cool.

Or NX Class cause it can get the crap beat out of it like no ones business.

 

-Jerry

[STSF Precip 0]

Just my thoughts.

 

Three Starships types we see in Star Trek:Nemesis. One is an upgraded Enterprise E, and two Romulan Types; the one of a kind Schimitar and the Valdore Class Warbird.

 

Yes in Nemesis there were some changes on the Enterprise E. Some tweaking in the hull dorsal/aft of the Saucer, and the installation of additiional weapons. The former to my knowledge was mainly cosmetic. The additional weapons were more of a necessity; for someone who storyboarded the Schimitar/Enterprise Battle must of run into the stark vulnerablity of Aft section of the ship. Two Torpedo launchers were added to give the Enterprise the ability to fire at an from an enemy attack behind and above. One was added above the Shuttlebay on the Saucer, the other above the shuttlebay in the engineering section. An additional torpedo launcher was added in the forward dorsal section of the saucer, but I dont recall this one being used in the movie.

 

The Schimitar reminds me of the World War 2 SuperBattleships built by Japan in WW2...of the Yamato Class. Extraordinarily powerful, but in the end...failures. Although it was not mentioned in the film, I feel it is safe to assume that the Schimitar was a one of a kind vessel and her destruction brought the end to any future copies of this vessel. (I highly doubt the Romulan Government would design another floating Thaloran Radiation Gun that was the Schimitar, which would of been a political liabiltly to say the least)

 

The Valdore Class clearly is a replacement to the D`deridex Warbird. The latter unfortunately never shown how truley big they were. (A D`deridex Class Warbird would of dwarfed a Galaxy Class Starship if shown as scripted) The Valdore's shown looked like an attempt to put the Romulan ships more in line with the size and "sleekness" of a Sovereign Class Vessel. Despite their smaller size they still inherited some attributes from their forebearers, mainly the appearance of wings supporting the warp nacelles..and the odd double strut "beak" bridge. (Yes I just said Romulan Warbirds have beaks...). The Valdore's showed more agility and more firepower in the brief time we saw them on Nemesis than what I believe a D`deridex class ship would of have. Cleary they where the next step in Romulan ship design unlike the Killer Whale that was the Schimitar.

 

-Precip

Still a Starship Freak

[JerryGraham 0]

The Enterprise only has 24 decks in First Contact

But in Nemesis it has 29, and then the Vicroy falls down another 70 decks.

I don't think the writers noticed that.

Other than that I loved the movie infact I fall to sleep with it.

 

-Jerry

[DaryusZaphodDracal 0]

The Enterprise only has 24 decks in First Contact

But in Nemesis it has 29, and then the Vicroy falls down another 70 decks.

I don't think the writers noticed that.

Star Trek writer's have always been famous for putting stuff in to frustrate us trekkies. They do it on purpous. In Star Trek 5 Final Frontier, when Kirk, Spock and McCoy are propelled up the turbolift shaft at breakneck speed, the deck

numbers are shown next to them. The higher they go, the higher the number's get. Even though, any fan would know that the deck numbers would have gotten lower as it went upwards I/E the bridge being deck 1. Things like this, and putting little signs and whatnot for us to pause our DVD's and VCR's for, like in Star Trek 2, Wrath of Kahn. In the scene at the beginninig, on the bridge simulator wall is a sign, "No smoking anywhere on bridge." Writer's are the craziest people. ::Lauging maniacally:: :wacko: :D :D

 

Zaphod,

"I meow meow meow, and I meow meow meow."

[JerryGraham 0]

And did you notice that the decks were like only 3 feet apart.

 

-Jerry

[NDak 0]

Actually the Valadore...or as it is more commonly refered to in the world of semi-cannon...N'Orexen (or Norexen) Didn't seem to me to be a replacement for the D`deridex but rather a complenting crusier. I would imagine that the D`deridex have been uprated since the Dominion War to be more in line with the rest of the major powers of the Quadrant and would still be a formidable vessel and a major part of the Romulan Fleet.

[STSF Precip 0]

Actually the Valadore...or as it is more commonly refered to in the world of semi-cannon...N'Orexen (or Norexen) Didn't seem to me to be a replacement for the  D`deridex  but rather a complenting crusier. I would imagine that the  D`deridex  have been uprated since the Dominion War to be more in line with the rest of the major powers of the Quadrant and would still be a formidable vessel and a major part of the Romulan Fleet.

 

I think the best way to compare the role of the Valdore to the D`derdex class in the Romulan Fleet is looking at the Federation's Sovereign and Galaxy Class Starships seen in on TV and the Big Screen.

 

We do know that Galaxy Class Vessels were active in the Dominion War. They were clearly uprated during that war. To avoid the Fate of the Odyessy (most obvious) tactical systems were enhanced/modified. Perhaps a more but less far from visable change was the amount of crew onboard a Galaxy. Given cost and mere manpower, clearly it would be absurd to continue wartime production of Starships with Civilian ammenities.

 

The numbers of Galaxy class vessels shown on DS9 would lead me to believe many survived the war and still serve Starfleet well. But the original design of the Starship was decades before the Dominion War and Wolf 359. Radical lessons were particularly learned in the later in terms of Starship Design.

 

Sovereigns were, and along with Akira, Steamrunner, Norway and Defiant were designed with more Tactical abilities than Starships before them. Their basic design; such as the Sovereign were designed with smaller cross sections making them harder to hit. Federation Starships also had increases in weapons deployed. (Particularly the Defiant and the Akiras).

 

The Romulans learned just as the Federation did combat experience as well. Perhaps the their awakening point was the Failed attempt to Destroy the Founder's Homeworld before the Romulans officially entered the war. Of course, That battle was a trap. But I think the Romulan's confidence in the might..and perhaps intimidating factor of the D`deridex class vessel was shaken to a point where the seed of a successor was born.

 

Given the lack of specialiized Starship Design in the Romulan Star Empire (as seen in DS9, Voyager) The D`deridex class Warbird would of been THE ship in the Romulan fleet. It would take a long time to replace the sheer numbers of the D`deridex class vessels. Most likely just as the Federation did with their Galaxy Class starships upgrades were made to the D`deridex. But Romulan Command knew uprgades weren't enough...and the Valdore class, just like the Sovereign is becoming the ship of the line in the Romulan Fleet.

 

-Precip

[NDak 0]

My only problem with that Scenerio is that the Norexens were signifcantly out powered in comparsion with a Sovvy. Hence I agree it is a newer design of the post-Dominion era, I just don't see it being the replacement for the D`deridex.

 

The other thing is I find it hard to belive that the romulans only have one design of ship in there fleet. That has always been something that bothered me about Trek was that Starfleet has multidudes of Designs, other people onyl have one or two...thats a little far fetched.

 

I have always imagined the D`deridex as sort of like the Excelsior of the Romulan Fleet. Yes it is the primary warship, and likely the only one they would show openly. But they would have other complenting classes of Destroyers and Cruisers.

[STSF Precip 0]

My only problem with that Scenerio is that the Norexens were signifcantly out powered in comparsion with a Sovvy. Hence I agree it is a newer design of the post-Dominion era, I just don't see it being the replacement for the D`deridex.

 

The other thing is I find it hard to belive that the romulans only have one design of ship in there fleet. That has always been something that bothered me about Trek was that Starfleet has multidudes of Designs, other people onyl have one or two...thats a little far fetched.

 

I have always imagined the D`deridex as sort of like the Excelsior of the Romulan Fleet. Yes it is the primary warship, and likely the only one they would show openly. But they would have other complenting classes of Destroyers and Cruisers.

 

I agree with your point that the Romulans having only one Starship Class is farfetched. Correcting myself earlier..the Romulans did have a small Scout Vessel used in TNG. We also got to see a Roumlan shuttlecraft on DS9 that could of been the size of a Runabout...it was tough to say exactly how big this shuttle was.

 

Of course fiction writers,gamers, mesh makers could always fill in the blanks of the Romulan fleet. Unfortunately that gets into the endless spriral of "what is and what isnt " canon with starships.

 

Hopefully there was some article written by a producer of TNG or DS9. That could shed light in the absence of "Starship Specialization" in the Romulan Fleet. Was it saving money in Graphics...or was a conscious decision and reason made for a seemingly universal fleet design of the Romulan D`deridex.

 

-Precip

[Travis Kroells 0]

The Enterprise only has 24 decks in First Contact

But in Nemesis it has 29, and then the Vicroy falls down another 70 decks.

I don't think the writers noticed that.

Other than that I loved the movie infact I fall to sleep with it.

 

-Jerry

You know, that disgusts me.

 

That you have to believe that all starships have to be a certian size. Why cant there be heavy set ships in the future? So what if the enterprise put on weight!?

[Vex Xiang 0]

I think having the Romulans with limited ships is more for the benefit of the audience. If they showed a new Romulan ship every week, then how many viewers would really be able to tell the difference between a Klingon, Romulan, or other alien ship? The Klingons have a few ships...the Romulans have 1 main one..and when it appears on the screen you KNOW what race its from.

 

Precip made a good point about the cross-section reduction of the Sovvy class. As we saw in DS9, the Dominion just ran circles around the huge Romulan Warbirds. It appeared to be a large, slow, bulky ship that relied on sheer brute force. The warbird itself is insanely oversized, perhaps for intimidation, but when it comes to a firefight its better suited to fighting one on one with another large starship. I mean most of the Deridex size is just hollow space, so it requires bigger engines and power supplies to fly it and shield it. So its a pretty inefficient vessel.

 

The Norexans did seem underpowered but they were fast and manuverable. They had thin profiles, probably making them harder to hit. Since they're smaller, its safe to assume they also have a much faster production rate than the Deridex. Perhaps the Romulans just finally decided it would be better to create 50 sleek warships quickly instead of 20 powerful ones slowly. I think its safe to assume that the Norexans are designed to fight in swarms.

 

I would also agree that the Deridex is still in service, but probably as a mothership supported by the major warbirds, the Norexans.

 

Another theory I've always had about the Deridex is why the interior is hollow? I always thought of it as a 'carrier' type where it could protect several ships within its shields and interior from enemy fire.

Edited January 17, 2005 by Vex Xiang

[NDak 0]

Actually a D'Deridex has the same mass as a Galaxy class vessel. And yes I agree that the Romulan Navy (Galae) would likely be in the proccess of replacing it as the primary warship, I just don't think the Norexen would be that replacement.

[Sam_SemaJ 0]

i made a cool design for a class....but its crazy (like all my ideas) plus i don't have any cool rendering whateverness to make nifty pictures.....and i havn't even compleated all my sketches of it. Even if it was finished....i think i would be too nervous to explain it to any of you class gurus...too much pressure

Edited January 18, 2005 by Sam_SemaJ

[Cadet Munro 0]

Give me the Sovereign class and the galaxy class Starships :D

[STSF Precip 0]

Give me the Sovereign class and the galaxy class Starships :lol:

I will agree the Federation's Sovereign Class is a beauty. Also tougher than I thought considering it rammed another vessel after a firefight. When I first saw the Enterprise E, I thought....wow..they changed the Enterprise from a Cadillac to a Corvette.

 

-Precip

[STSF_BluRox 0]

It kinda looks like a high tech garden shovel head. It phasers the rocks out of the way as it digs.

ROFL!! That was my first thought too!!! Then again...I think they get the designs from gardening tools...you remember my picture of the edging/lirpa tool?

 

Blu

[STSF Precip 0]

ROFL!! That was my first thought too!!!  Then again...I think they get the designs from gardening tools...you remember my picture of the edging/lirpa tool?

 

Blu

 

I suppose that thought would be consistent with Romulan Vessel design as well. I mean, the D`deridex and the Valdore class vessels both have beaks. And for a bird, a beak would be considered a gardening tool :lol:

 

-Precip