A Star Wars poll for all you's

[Travis Kroells 0]

#1: "Peace is a lie, There is only passion.

Through passion, I gain strength.

Through strength, I gain power.

Through power, I gain victory.

Through victory, my chains are broken."

 

#2: "There is no peace, there is anger.

There is no fear, there is power.

There is no death, there is immortality.

There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.

 

I am the Heart of Darkness.

I know no fear,

But rather I instill it in my enemies.

 

I am the destoyer of worlds.

I know the power of the Dark Side.

I am the fire of hate.

 

All the Universe bows before me.

I pledge myself to the Darkness.

For I have found true life,

In the death of the light."

 

Yay kiddies! Another poll! I got bored a couple minutes, and started researching the Sith for the heck of it. I came across two different Sith codes. The first one, used in the video game Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic (Here on refered to as KOTOR) and the second one which is the Cannon Sith code.

 

I'm bored, and I want my sig to be one of them, so tell me which one you like more.

Edited December 28, 2004 by Travis Kroells

[Dumbass 0]

I like the 2nd one. Not only is it apparently canon but it sounds like a rewriting of the Jedi code with different words, as if the Sith were trying to say "Codes? We don't need no stinking codes!" - which sounds like an attitude the Sith would have.

[Seiben 0]

Echoing Van Roy, I like the #2 option.. it really does sound like something a Sith would say. :D And actually it is, since it's canon heh.. :P

Edited December 28, 2004 by Seiben

[Travis Kroells 0]

I'd go with one, if only because It'd be easy to get tattooed one day, heh. I like both, if only because the sith rock the house...yeah.

[Brian Graham 0]

They both kind of sound like something a Jem'Hadar would say.

[Travis Kroells 0]

::Strikes down Graham with Force Lightning for even Mentioning Trek::

[Dumbass 0]

Come to think of it, Darth Maul did kinda look like a Jem Hadar painted red and black, didn't he?

[Cougar 0]

Come to think of it, Darth Maul did kinda look like a Jem Hadar painted red and black, didn't he?

No Jem Hadar are more bigger in size. Darth Maul is skinny compared to them.

Edited December 29, 2004 by Captain Cougar

[Travis Kroells 0]

Yeah, but the Jem Hadar we're burnouts with gold horns. It's not a well mentioned fact, but for a Sith, infact anyone to be able to take on a Jedi Knight, and a Jedi Master at the same time, and perform the way Maul did is considered quite a feat.

 

Maul beats down Jem Hadar hands down.

[Cougar 0]

Yeah, but the Jem Hadar we're burnouts with gold horns. It's not a well mentioned fact, but for a Sith, infact anyone to be able to take on a Jedi Knight, and a Jedi Master at the same time, and perform the way Maul did is considered quite a feat.

 

Maul beats down Jem Hadar hands down.

Ferengi can take down Jem Hadar. :P

[DaryusZaphodDracal 0]

Two does sound so much more like the Sith if you take into account all the Dark Lord's bad attitudes. I can't picture Darth Vader or Lord Sidious talking about passion. I more picture what Tarkin told Vader in Episode 4. "Fear will keep the local systems in line." The whole point of the Dark Side is to instill fear into your enemies. Just my two cent's worth as I recieved the Star Wars Trilogy on DVD for Christmas this year. :P

 

Zaphod,

"Don't point that phaser at me, this kitty only has one life and I want to stay in it."

[Dumbass 0]

Two does sound so much more like the Sith if you take into account all the Dark Lord's bad attitudes. I can't picture Darth Vader or Lord Sidious talking about passion. I more picture what Tarkin told Vader in Episode 4. "Fear will keep the local systems in line." The whole point of the Dark Side is to instill fear into your enemies.

I can see Tarkin as someone who probably would have liked very much to be a Sith - he seems to have the right attitude for it - but was not Force-sensitive enough to become an apprentice. But he was a capable administrator and if you listen carefully to his lines he actually gives Vader orders, not the other way around.

 

I could see Anakin talk about passion as he is morphing into Vader, but yeah, even though the Sith believe in following their feelings (which is what passion is) the word itself doesn't seem very Sith-like.

[Atragon9 0]

I could see Anakin talk about passion as he is morphing into Vader, but yeah, even though the Sith believe in following their feelings (which is what passion is) the word itself doesn't seem very Sith-like.

True, "old" Obi-wan and Yoda are always telling Luke to search his feelings and "feel" the Force, but not in an emotional way. And "young" Obi-wan is always telling Anakin to stop being so emotional, and to not let his personal feelings get in the way (Episode 2, when Amidala falls out of the Clone warrior troop transport and Anakin wants to go back for her). The Jedi are a very cool, unemotional bunch (or it's just an excuse for Lucas's bad dialogue to hinder good actors and prop up the bad ones he got to play Jedi Knights). And let's not forget the Emperor tempting Luke to "let your feelings go" (or something like that) in order to get him over to the Dark Side.

 

Yeah, this is Kirk vs. Spock all over again (heh-heh, had to try and swing it over to Trek, didn't I?)

[Dumbass 0]

There are two possible explanations:

 

1) Young Obi-Wan made a mistake when training Anakin and tried to keep too tight a grip on Anakin's emotions, which might have played a role in driving Anakin to the Dark Side in the first place. Old Obi-Wan in training Luke decided not to repeat that mistake and was a bit more flexable. (Or, since Luke was an adult when entering training, maybe he had more maturity than Anakin did so Obi-Wan trusted Luke's judgement more.)

 

2) The more Luke used the Force the stronger his "Force presence" would become, which Vader and Palpatine would eventually be able to sense. What this means is Luke's greatest strength was also his greatest vulnerability. His second greatest vulnerability was the small amount of training old Obi-Wan was able to give him. Luke needed Force-strength greater than his limited training would allow if he was to have a chance at survival if he faced Vader or Palpatine prematurely. As much as the Jedi and Vulcans distrust them, emotions, feelings, and other instincts do have that effect (as they did in the Young Obi-Wan - Darth Maul duel). So although tapping into emotions, feelings, and other instincts may not be the standard training for Padiwans it was necessary for Luke's survival in this case.

[Dumbass 0]

(or it's just an excuse for Lucas's bad dialogue to hinder good actors and prop up the bad ones he got to play Jedi Knights)

Frank Oz (Yoda):

Four Emmy Awards

Two George Foster Peabody Awards

One American Comedy Creative Achievement Award

Three gold and two platinum records.

One Art Directors Guild award for Contribution to Cinematic Imagery.

 

Liam Neeson's (Qui-Gon):

Venice Film Festival - 1996 - Volpi Cup - Best Actor - "Michael Collins". His nominations include Golden Globes - 1997 - Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture - Drama - "Michael Collins", Golden Globes - 1994 - Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture - Drama - "Schindler's List", Oscar - 1994 - Best Actor - "Schindler's List", and British Academy Awards - 1994 - Best Actor Leading - "Schindler's List".

 

Samuel L. Jackson (Mace): Pulp Fiction. 'Nuff said.

 

And finally...

 

Sir Alec Guinness (Obi-Wan):

Academy

1977 Best Supporting Actor, Star Wars (1977) Nominated

1958 Best Adapted Screenplay, The Horse's Mouth (1958) Nominated

1957 Best Actor, The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Win

1952 Best Actor, The Lavender Hill Mob (1951) Nominated

 

British Academy Awards

1957 Best British Actor,The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Win

 

Golden Globe

1977 Best Supporting Actor, Star Wars (1977) Nominated

1957 Best Actor - Drama, The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Win

 

National Board of Review

1957 Best Actor, The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Win

1950 Best Actor,,Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949) Win

 

New York Film Critics Circle

1960 Best Actor, Tunes of Glory (1960) Nominated

1958 Best Actor, The Horse's Mouth (1958) Nominated

1957 Best Actor, The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Win

1955 Best Actor, The Prisoner (1955) Nominated

1952 Best Actor, The Man in the White Suit (1951) Nominated

1952 Best Actor, The Promoter (1952) Nominated

1950 Best Actor, Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949) Nominated

 

Venice International Film Festival

1958 Volpi Cup for Best Actor, The Horse's Mouth (1958) Win

 

I believe he also received some awards or nominations for Lawrence of Arabia but I couldn't find them.

Edited December 30, 2004 by Dumbass

[Travis Kroells 0]

I came up with this theory after reading something on the net about how the Sith merely hunger for power, and it also reafirms need to train at a young age.

 

Anakin was taken from Tattoine when he was like 10-12 years old. At the time he was in slavery with his mother, and all they had was each other. I think the idea of being seperated like that is enough to foster some badish feelings and such.

 

Secondly, at the opening of Episode II (and something we obviously all had to know) that Anakin has the hots for Padme. The whole attachement thing comes down to "what would you do for someone you loved?" the question is that much more dangarous for a Jedi, considering the power they wield.

 

Thirdly, Anakin falls into that cliche of "doing bad things while having good intentions" When his mother dies, he goes off and kills an entire camp of Sandpeople. He latter confesses to Padme his hate for them (something that leads to the darkside) he also has admits a lust for power (something not directly mentioned, but also probably not good) "I will be the most powerful Jedi ever, and I will even stop people from dieing"

 

The downfall is the fact that he feels he failed his mother by not being strong enough. Not strong enough to save her phyiscally, and not being able to know this was happening, since Jedi can sense these things, or at least the fact that he didn't act on these dreams he was having.

 

And thats the final trapping. He has such good plans for this power, but then that internal human nature tells to go farther. The seduction of power is hard to resist. Hence the saying "Absolute power corupts absolutly"

 

Attachment, lust, hate, need for power all these things lead to the darkside. Not only was Anakin tempted by all of these things, he even believes that he is better then them. He even goes to say early in episode II that he's more advanced then Obi-wan in many ways.

 

In the bottom lines, the guy was a punk who bite off more then he could chew, and the entire galaxy paid for it.

[Travis Kroells 0]

And let's not forget the Emperor tempting Luke to "let your feelings go" (or something like that) in order to get him over to the Dark Side.

Acctually, it was the other way around. The Emperor told Luke to strike him down with all the hate he held inside for him. I think it comes back to the lust for power that I just mentioned. If he had done it, it would have been like "I just killed the Emperor, theres nothing I can't do!"

 

It's that sence of freedom that leads to bad things. If a person believes they can do anything, they'll do it. It's just human nature. If I knew I could rob a bank and get away with it, scott clean, I'd do it.

 

Human Nature.

 

And I know a lot of you would say you wouldn't and I think it's rather funny to lie to yourself like that. Sure, maybe you can say that when it's all hypothetical, but try to step away from it when its real. And even if you did, you can't deny a time when you serriously considered it.

[Atragon9 0]

Frank Oz (Yoda):

Four Emmy Awards

Two George Foster Peabody Awards

One American Comedy Creative Achievement Award

Three gold and two platinum records.

One Art Directors Guild award for Contribution to Cinematic Imagery.

 

Liam Neeson's (Qui-Gon):

Venice Film Festival - 1996 - Volpi Cup - Best Actor - "Michael Collins". His nominations include Golden Globes - 1997 - Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture - Drama - "Michael Collins", Golden Globes - 1994 - Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture - Drama - "Schindler's List", Oscar - 1994 - Best Actor - "Schindler's List", and British Academy Awards - 1994 - Best Actor Leading - "Schindler's List".

 

Samuel L. Jackson (Mace): Pulp Fiction. 'Nuff said.

 

And finally...

 

Sir Alec Guinness (Obi-Wan):

Academy

1977 Best Supporting Actor, Star Wars (1977) Nominated

1958 Best Adapted Screenplay, The Horse's Mouth (1958) Nominated

1957 Best Actor, The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Win

1952 Best Actor, The Lavender Hill Mob (1951) Nominated

 

British Academy Awards

1957 Best British Actor,The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Win

 

Golden Globe

1977 Best Supporting Actor, Star Wars (1977) Nominated

1957 Best Actor - Drama, The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Win

 

National Board of Review

1957 Best Actor, The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Win

1950 Best Actor,,Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949) Win

 

New York Film Critics Circle

1960 Best Actor, Tunes of Glory (1960) Nominated

1958 Best Actor, The Horse's Mouth (1958) Nominated

1957 Best Actor, The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Win

1955 Best Actor, The Prisoner (1955) Nominated

1952 Best Actor, The Man in the White Suit (1951) Nominated

1952 Best Actor, The Promoter (1952) Nominated

1950 Best Actor, Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949) Nominated

 

Venice International Film Festival

1958 Volpi Cup for Best Actor, The Horse's Mouth (1958) Win

 

I believe he also received some awards or nominations for Lawrence of Arabia but I couldn't find them.

I don't deny that some very fine actors have populated the Star Wars films (well, except for Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christiansen, oh and Natalie Portman). I'm just saying that Episodes I and II had such bad scripting that nothing Liam Neeson, Samuel Jackson or Christopher Lee could do (heck, even Ewan Macgregor, for most of his other roles) could save them from their horrid fate of speaking those lines. Just look at anything else they've done and notice that they have gotten no critcial praise for their work with Lucas here.

 

I love Star Wars and I have high hopes for Episode III (because if I didn't, I would fall into despair), but let's face it, CGI aside, nothing in Episodes I or II can hold a candle to the wonderful stories and characters of Episodes IV, V and VI - although I wouldn't mind losing the Ewoks.

 

Has anyone seen the DVD of VI (yes, I have the new discs) and seen what Lucas did to the final climactic scene when Luke steps away form the celebration and sees the figures "In the Force?" It's a crime!

[Brian Graham 0]

::Strikes down Graham with Force Lightning for even Mentioning Trek::

Aww, how come I always have to be the guy to get struck down with Force Lightning for even mentioning Trek?

[DaryusZaphodDracal 0]

 

Has anyone seen the DVD of VI (yes, I have the new discs) and seen what Lucas did to the final climactic scene when Luke steps away form the celebration and sees the figures "In the Force?" It's a crime!

I got the DVD collection for Christmas, and yes I was very dissapointed by that. The actor who portrayed Vader in that scene was Sebastian Shaw. He gave Vader a wonderful, touching scene with Luke as he turned back from the Dark Side. I thought it was very unfair to him to have that final scene changed. Lucas explainned it away that when Vader died, Anakin went to the "force" at the point he became Vader, I/E climactic scene coming up in Episode III. Bah, it is a marketing ploy. I am glad though that they got rid of that annoying Ewok Yub Yub song that was at the end of the original movie. :P

 

Zaphod,

"I purr therefore I am."

[Travis Kroells 0]

Well of course my girlfriend loved it.

 

::sighs::

 

Anyways. Little tid bit, for any of you that has the late 90's edition of the trilogy on VHS which the interviews of Lucas. (not the remastered theater stuff either, just the rerelease of the original movies on VHS) In the interview about episode VI, or one of them, Lucas mentions that the roles of the Wookiees (Chewie) and the Ewoks were switched. At least in his very original draft, before he had even been running around looking for someone to make the movies. He later changed it to what we see now, because he thought the idea was too cutesy and kidish. Not to mention he wanted to keep the feel of the Han and Chewie partnership to be the dashing scoundral, and the loveable, but not too loveable sidekick.

 

Of course, then thirty years later, he goes and creates Jar Jar Binks, which he then says was his kids idea. (Nice father son relationship there eh?) Why would you even take advice from a kid? I have ideas, but theres no way in heck Lucas should use them. lol.

 

I forgot to mention this in my last post because well...I forgot. But like when I was ten or eleven (5-6 years ago) The Minneapolis art center had hosted a Star Wars gallery. They had props and stuff, and also had exhibits on the ancient stories and cultures the Lucas had borrowed from to create the master piece trilogy. I didn't understand, or care much about that stuff when I was ten, but now looking back, I understand the Star Wars universe a lot better.

 

I think that this was a nation wide tour, and that Minneapolis was one of its stops. If anyone else can remember going to one of these somewhere else, post it up.

 

Oh yeah, on one funny side note, not long after we had gotten done viewing the Star Wars stuff, me and my dad got separated. I spent about an hour looking for him, and then gave up, and looked around the rest of the large three story building. I finally had to beg some weird old guy down in the lobby for some change to call his cell phone to tell him where I was. When I finally met him, I asked him why he hadn't come down her, and had security page me or something. When he responded that he figured I'd show up eventually, I promptly kicked him where the sun didn't shine, enciting an up roar from the people around that had become interested in an 11 year old kid that had to beg for change to call his missing dad. We went home, and I didn't see fresh air for two months. Some parenting huh?

 

And some people wonder why I'm so messed up...

[Travis Kroells 0]

Oh yeah, I was kinda disapointed by the removal of the original guy from the "force" scene. I also didn't like the crappy music they were playing. I like the original stuff way better. Much more festive. This stuff just didn't convince me that they had defeated the evil emperor, Darth Vader, and delt the empire a crippiling blow.

 

And I never did like that redone battle in the last movie on Tatooine. If that pit monster thingy (The one that eats you for a 1000 years, cant remember the name) had a giant beak like thing, why not use it in a better way? I mean Jeez, the thing could have eaten Lando like poof! I thought it was much more suspensfull the old way...but thats been like that since like...99.

[Images 0]

I am glad though that they got rid of that annoying Ewok Yub Yub song that was at the end of the original movie. ^_^

Woah! I loved the yub yub song!

 

Yub yub! Da da, yub yub! Doo doo doobedy doo da da da yub yub yuuuuuub! Yubdey yubdey yub, yub yub!

[Dumbass 0]

Oh yeah, on one funny side note, not long after we had gotten done viewing the Star Wars stuff, me and my dad got separated. I spent about an hour looking for him, and then gave up, and looked around the rest of the large three story building. I finally had to beg some weird old guy down in the lobby for some change to call his cell phone to tell him where I was. When I finally met him, I asked him why he hadn't come down her, and had security page me or something. When he responded that he figured I'd show up eventually, I promptly kicked him where the sun didn't shine, enciting an up roar from the people around that had become interested in an 11 year old kid that had to beg for change to call his missing dad. We went home, and I didn't see fresh air for two months. Some parenting huh?

Well I don't really see much fresh air either, seeing how air is usually invisible. But I bet kicking your dad in the bum after having to beg for change to call him was hillarious to watch! ^_^

 

I did see a nationwide Art of Star Wars exhibit in '95, is that the one you are talking about? Anyway, I have a funny story about mine too. I went with my girlfriend and had her look for the Klingons. :) :lol:

[Travis Kroells 0]

Yeah, that had to of been when it was, altough that would have made me like seven...I thought I was older...