Hey, I just realised something.

[Dumbass 0]

"An ancestor of mine maintained that whenever you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be true." - Spock, The Undiscovered Country.

 

OK, now, anyone who has heard of Sherlock Holmes will instantly recognise this axium. If we start with the assumption that either the fictional character Sherlock Holmes or the real person Arthur Conan Doyle was the ancestor that Spock was talking about then it becomes a puzzle what race this ancestor could have been.

 

Yes, I know, Spock was half Human. He was also the first Human-Vulcan hybrid (which makes the events of Enterprise's E2 impossible, as Archer and T'Pol speculated might be the case in the last few minutes). So we might start with the assumption that Spock's mom, Amanda Grayson, was related to Holmes/Doyle. However, we run into a problem. In the episode Strangers from the Sky we learn that Spock's human branch of the family tree can only be traced as far back as 2045. If Holmes/Doyle was related to Amanda Spock wouldn't have known it.

 

Therefore the relationship to Holmes/Doyle could not have been through his mother's side. It could only have come from Sarak's Vulcan side of the family. Since we have already established that there was no mixing of Vulcan and Human bloodlines prior to Spock the only conclusion possible is that, not only was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle or Inspector Sherlock Holmes a Vulcan, but he would also have to be 100% Vulcan.

 

Anyone else have a theory?

Edited September 25, 2004 by Dumbass

[AndrewLyon 0]

You need to read more of the olde TOS books. Spock at one point has his human half traced down to somewhere in Seattle in the mid 1800's. Call me Ishmeal I think the book it called, there is also Vulcan's Glory, where humans and Vulcans have been mixing allot longer.

Just some food for thought.

[Guest STSF Sketti]

Just a small note here. Trek books, as wonderful as they are, aren't considered by Paramount to be "canon." That is, if I wrote a book in which Picard dies, it would not be recognized in the general Trek community because it isn't Paramount, isn't official, and therefore isn't considered canon.

[koolaidman 0]

acually trek books are sold by paramount but they still aren't canon, except for those based on movie and thats a whole different ball game

[Dumbass 0]

Of course a lot of people consider TAS to be non-canon too even though the original actors and Roddenbery were directly involved.

[Commodore Moose 0]

Anyone else have a theory?

One of Spock's ancestors was actually H. G. Wells, who travelled forward in time to 2045 so he could marry and produce the children that eventually became Spock's ancestors. Then, he went back in time and whispered all the good quotes to Doyle.

[Marris Krax 0]

Mayhap it is just a similar phrase that exists on Vulcan? ^.^ As we discussed in my lit class recently, there is such a thing as reading too much into things :P

 

Besides, Doyle was into free love, I think, definitely not Vulcan-like. Him or Wells. Or both. It's been a while since I did reports on those gentlemen.

 

Edit: Ahh, wait, I recall now. Wells was the free-love nut who married his cousin. Doyle believed in fairies and ghosts. Either way, not Vulcan-like at all ^.^

Edited September 25, 2004 by Marris Krax

[koolaidman 0]

well remember that doyle lived 150 years before first contact so he wouldn't have to be vulcan like at all to be realated, but i suppose his decendants would have to be... maybe spock was speaking of a syaing by his decendants race

[Darrik 0]

well remember that doyle lived 150 years before first contact so he wouldn't have to be vulcan like at all to be realated, but i suppose his decendants would have to be... maybe spock was speaking of a syaing by his decendants race

hmm, knowing everything that I've learned from Enterprise, which we all know is true :P , that our events can be somewhat the same in each culture. In other words, the Vulcans had something like our reformation in their history/future, so, it could be possible that there was an author like Sir Doyle that existed in Vulcan history/future. Or, it could be Basil, the mouse that lived with Holmes. :D

 

Or, it could just be a stupid mistake that are common in making sci-fi.

 

oh, and with E2 being incorrect, it could be possible that Trip isn't the real father. :D

[Dumbass 0]

oh, and with E2 being incorrect, it could be possible that Trip isn't the real father. :P

If T'Pol says Trip is the father than Trip is the father. Vulcans are incapable of lying.

[Darrik 0]

If T'Pol says Trip is the father than Trip is the father.  Vulcans are incapable of lying.

lets say, she didn't know. also, we've been told that the vulcans on 2151 were capable of lying. also, she was going through her emosion issues, so maybe if it was imposible for he to lie, the drugs made it possible for her.

 

edt: duh, i just relized phlox helped in it. anyways, perhaps trip and t'pol's son was not accounted for, or phlox never learned, or he was considered to never have existed, etc.

Edited September 26, 2004 by Darrik

[Dumbass 0]

edt: duh, i just relized phlox helped in it. anyways, perhaps trip and t'pol's son was not accounted for, or phlox never learned, or he was considered to never have existed, etc.

That was pretty much my point. Trek canon established that Spock was the first Human-Vulcan hybrid. So either canon has been rewritten or the 2nd Enterprise never existed. Archer and T'Pol did allow for the possibility of E2 never existing in the closing dialog for E2.

 

As for Phlox not knowing, he would have to know. "Our" Phlox was the one who did the DNA test and confirmed that "their" Phlox made the coupling possible.

[Travis Kroells 0]

Didn't Doyle also write that Homles did Cocaine or something like that, or am I just snorting myself?

[Dumbass 0]

I believe you are right. Doyle did say that Holmes used "snuff" which we believe to be cocaine.

[Atragon9 0]

He was also noted of using a 7% solution of Laudanum, an derivitive of Opium. In fact, there is a wonderful book (that was made into a wonderful film) called the "7% Solution." In it, the fictional Sherlock Holmes was cured of his addiction by the very real Sigmund Freud. It's a great story and, wait for it, here's the Star Trek connection.

 

The book was written by and the movie directed by Nicholas Meyer, who also directed "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan." Ahhh, all roads lead back to ST...

[Dumbass 0]

Ahhh, all roads lead back to ST...

No wonder I keep getting lost. :P

[Travis Kroells 0]

No wonder I keep meeting weirdos on the road. :P