Enterprise Going Backwards?

[Nemesis 0]

Well, I loved the third season but in all honesty the second season was truly the best season of Enterprise so far. I mean the Xindi were all good for a season, more so half a season. I was so excited that we were going to get back to the nice stand alone episodes of season 2 and take a break from this story arcs, and now I hear that they are going to do this mini-arcs which span 3-5 episodes... All I can say is enough is enough!

 

I want to go back to exploration, thats what the Enterprise was supposed to be there for, starting the voyage of exploration and where no man has gone before. I'm also starting to get annoyed at all this temporal crap, turning worse then Voyager. I defended Enterprise so much in the past and now I think I might have to give up trying...

 

This series will not last past it's 4th season if they keep it up, I will watch every episode that comes out. Most people who don't like it will not keep on watching, prehaps Star Trek is going to die pretty soon...

[NDak 0]

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Well, I loved the third season but in all honesty the second season was truly the best season of Enterprise so far. I mean the Xindi were all good for a season, more so half a season. I was so excited that we were going to get back to the nice stand alone episodes of season 2 and take a break from this story arcs, and now I hear that they are going to do this mini-arcs which span 3-5 episodes... All I can say is enough is enough!

 

I want to go back to exploration, thats what the Enterprise was supposed to be there for, starting the voyage of exploration and where no man has gone before. I'm also starting to get annoyed at all this temporal crap, turning worse then Voyager. I defended Enterprise so much in the past and now I think I might have to give up trying...

 

This series will not last past it's 4th season if they keep it up, I will watch every episode that comes out. Most people who don't like it will not keep on watching, prehaps Star Trek is going to die pretty soon...

Actually,

 

One of the things I have always frowned upon in Star Trek is a lack of a cohesive story arc (IE Babylon 5). It is possible to have an over laying Story arc and not devout every episode to that BTW ^_^ You can still explore and ahve a cohesive story arc, you just don;t have to have every episode about it, basicallyy what I am saying is have a story arc that reaches over the entire series.

 

So, then, you ask what is my problem with Enterprise's story arc....I want one thats not just stupid ;)

Edited May 27, 2004 by Ern_Ndak

[Vex Xiang 0]

Nemesis, I agree with you...I'm tired of these long story arcs. It got so bad in DS9 that you couldnt sit down and watch a last-season episode without having seen the entire season...or you'd have no idea what was going on!

 

And a lot of episodes in DS9 were just plain boring, tiny strings in a huge plot that in themselves weren't that interesting. If you watched every episode in sequence start to finish, it would be enjoyable...but most people, including me, only watch Trek occassionally. Its nice to have an overall storyline, but each episode needs to be an adventure onto itself. WITHOUT needing to know what happened the past 6 weeks just to understand it.

 

I can sit down and watch a TNG or TOS episode at random and enjoy it. I can't do that with DS9. I hope they don't ruin Enterprise with these horrible soap-opera-style episodes, where the plot goes so slowly and its stuffed with boring filler material.

 

Now that season 3 is over I'm SICK of the Xindi...I hope they don't ruin Romulans the way they ruined a good enemy possibility like the Xindi. They would have been pretty interesting if they weren't featured in every---single---episode---ughh!

Edited May 27, 2004 by Vex Xiang

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

I must say I completely disagree. I find the story arcs to be very interesting and help bring a solid sense of reality to the show. One of the issues I often had throughout Trek was the fact there were never (rarely) long term consequences for what they did in a particluar episode.

 

As for the temporal subplot, couldn't disagree more. I am...causiouly optimistic as to it's outcome. It could still be turned into a complete disaster, but it seems that isn't happening.

 

Also, keep in mind Nemesis that Earth won't be "boldly going" anywhere for long. There is this four year war coming up. As for the Xindi, Vex, again I couldn't disagree more. I thought they were developed in an amazing way and I sincerely hope we'll see more of them in the future.

[Nemesis 0]

Well I wouldn't have a problem with a temporal subplot if you didn't have time episodes meshed in almost every episode. I mean before the whole temporal thing was a mystery, like with the Borg before Voyager now its all like BAM! If we start seeing Q I'll be super pissed....

[Tovan 0]

I hate time travel, the whole thing messes up the whole thing but then .... see? Then the whole startrek series is going to go haywire then they'd have to remake all the series according to that history (which is impossible). One small thing could lead to such a disaster and who's that blue guy who looks like the devil eh?

Edited May 27, 2004 by Tovan

[Lt. Friebel 0]

These are all very interesting subjects.

[FredM 0]

Then the whole startrek series is going to go haywire then they'd have to remake all the series according to that history (which is impossible).

Hey there,

 

Again, says who? We don't know how it ends yet your making judgements.

 

Here's what I mean:

 

I remember on these very boards individuals screaming about "Where is this Expanse? Why haven't we seen it before if it's so close to Earth! THEY'RE CHANGING THINGS!!!" Well, now that we have the whole story, we know exactly why...

 

I believe the same holds true for everything else in the series. Patience...let's see what they do. Then, once the show is over and we know they won't be in movies, let's judge. ;)

[Lt. Friebel 0]

I agree with you Fred.

[STSF Jorlis 0]

Being a B5 fan, you know I'm all for long-term arcs. But I'm for single-episode stories too. TOS and TNG offered a lot of great one-hour stories, DS9 and Enterprise were at their best with the long-term. Though, yes, the long-term does require a bit of commitment and patience on the viewer's part. ;)

 

And I love time travel plots. There are a million ways you could go with it to come up with fresh, entertaining plots... and the timeline problems that can arise, if not ignored, can just add more depth to these plotlines. You might make an argument against using time travel too much. TOS and TNG did use it a lot more sparingly. But Enterprise gets away with excessive use because time travel is a central part of the show that was established right from the beginning... the temporal cold war.

[Veloras Itana 0]

Though, yes, the long-term does require a bit of commitment and patience on the viewer's part. ;)

 

I have always found that kind of commitment to be a reward of its own. I'm also a big B-5 fan and a devotee of DS9. I look for television in the same way I scour the library for good books. The depth of character and intricacies of the relationships of the people involved add so much more to the overall story that when they do run a "just for fun" one hour storyline it's like a trip to the holodeck. Fun for that hour but then life continues and the growing story continues to unfold. Enterprise has perhaps the most solid base for that kind of intricacy I'd really like to see them make more use of it.

 

~Itana

[John_Anderson 0]

Well I, for one, really enjoyed this season of Enterprise, I just loved the story arc. Which is probably why I'm a huge B5 fan (Now *those* were some story arcs, how could you not have loved the Shadow War. ;)). I like having a reason to tune in episode after episode to see how everything is going to resolve in the end. It would just pull me in and I just could not resist the temptation of watching. I pretty much tuned out of Enterprise during the second season, simply because I got bored with it.

 

For any that are curious, I still remember my first Star Trek episode I ever saw. "Best of Both Worlds Pt. II", and yes if you do the math I was five years old. ^_^

 

So I watched TNG for a time and just simply got bored with it, childhood went on and one day I tuned into Deep Space Nine when season 4 started with "The Way of the Warrior" and when I saw that episode I was hooked once again! I watched the entire show till the end, and of course when I tuned into DS9 I heard of Voyager and watched that and so on and so forth and here I am watching Enterprise. :D

 

Now back to the point, had it not been for the Klingon-Cardassian War story arc I probably would have never tuned back in for another episode of Star Trek and who knows I may not be here with all you wonderful folks. ;)

 

So I say, keep the story arcs, and lets pulls some people into the genre. Though a handful of people may not like it, alot of devotee's do. Had it not been for the Xindi story arc I may not have ever tuned back into another episode of Enterprise, the same might be true for a handful of others, and thanks to the story arc we get to have another season of Enterprise.

 

::Tosses his nickle in::

[Travis Kroells 0]

All I have to say is that Season three probably saved Enterprise from cancelation.

 

Nearly every Series except for TOS and TNG had a structured plot. (War, Getting home) TNG was great for the fact that they showed what Starfleet was all about, exploration. But now adays, seeing a group of pals flying around in their ship, getting into Zany antics isnt enough.

 

They want some gripping drama that fufils their sad lives. I think Enterprise did an excelent job. Not only did it keep a structured plot, they also took some time to cover the other stuff that the other series usually did.

 

Like I said, season three probably saved Enterprise.

[Tachyon 0]

I've seen the arguments for and against.

 

I didn't like season three all that much, because it felt out of place. I followed the first two seasons, and saw Enterprise moseying along through the galaxy. That was great, I loved it. Then--BAM! We're suddenly knee-deep in vengeance and crazy Vulcans. It was sort of unexpected, we weren't prepared for it, and it caught us off guard.

 

Was that a good thing? Sometimes it is. But a radical departure from the format of a show is just that--radical. Enterprise does have a storyline, all of this Temporal Cold War stuff that we've glimpsed at.

 

So it's got two choices: become DS9, or become Voyager. Both had storylines. DS9's was more prominent, especially towards the last season. I have no problem with DS9, but it's tough to watch just any episode. Voyager, on the other hand, had a more casual storyline: get home. It was more comfortable, and that's why I prefer Voyager's storyline to DS9's.

 

I just thought that they overdid it on the whole Xindi-revenge thing. But I don't hate them for it. I haven't seen Zero Hour yet (I missed it!) but I'll catch it on Sunday. And then we'll see.

 

I'm all for a fourth season, I'm ready to give Enterprise another chance. But they really need to focus, because Paramount has put the Fear of God voice into Star Trek.

 

They gave Star Trek: Enterprise the Death Slot.

[FredM 0]

So it's got two choices: become DS9, or become Voyager. Both had storylines.

Hey there,

 

I doubt they'll be Voyager...they can't be! Star Trek: Enterprise already has one thing Star Trek: Voyager didn't even start to develop until it's final season...continuity. ;)

 

Also, I don't think it's a death slot...not as it used to be. UPN has never had a Friday night 9:00pm show before, so it's an expansion of their schedule. This fact alone may ensure it maintains it's presence thru seven years. There are far worse timeslots to be in. After all, JAG and Stargate SG-1 seem to do alright...and JAG's been sitting on Fridays for many seasons (will be there again for it's 10th).