Enterprise, Kirk

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

For several months now, rumors have been going on via the Internet that William Shatner had been in discussions with Rick Berman to do a guest appearance on Star Trek: Enterprise. Shatner himself had stated he would love to do some such thing, though it wasn't clear if it would be as the great, great grandfather of Kirk or perhaps some temporal something or another.

 

Well, Rick Berman just confirmed the rumors and says they are looking to perhaps have him appear in the fourth season. Click here for some more details.

 

What does everyone think? Personally, I'd love to see the character again. I still hate what they did in Star Trek: Generations.

[Lt. Friebel 0]

I would like to see William Shatner in Enterprise however doesn't this show come a few Centuries before Captain Kirk?

[Tovan 0]

Hey there,

 

For several months now, rumors have been going on via the Internet that William Shatner had been in discussions with Rick Berman to do a guest appearance on Star Trek: Enterprise. Shatner himself had stated he would love to do some such thing, though it wasn't clear if it would be as the great, great grandfather of Kirk or perhaps some temporal something or another.

 

Well, Rick Berman just confirmed the rumors and says they are looking to perhaps have him appear in the fourth season. Click here for some more details.

 

What does everyone think? Personally, I'd love to see the character again. I still hate what they did in Star Trek: Generations.

Yeah, temporal incursion i guess, yeah i'd like to see Old Shanter on it again. getting killed from a fall is ....

[Travis Kroells 0]

Something tells me it'll be a stupid time episode where Daniels trys to show Archer just how important he is, by taking him to the future but again, and meeting Kirk!

 

It'd stupid and cool at the same time!

[Lt. Friebel 0]

It makes sense.

[FredM 0]

It'd stupid and cool at the same time!

Hey there,

 

Well, would probably be one of the show's highest rated episodes. ;)

 

Some people said Trials & Tribbulations was a stupid concept for DS9, but I personally found it to be an amazing tribute to TOS (though Relics is still the best).

[Travis Kroells 0]

Possibly, but at the same time, I'm sick of having them portray Archer as "the reason the federation exists"

 

I mean have you seen the comercials for tonights finale? It's getting just a little uncool.

[Images 0]

i must the only human being alive who likes how kirk died. the reason being BECAUSE he was killed by something so ordinary as a fall. He'd survived damn near everything throughout the galaxy because of his skill and a freakish thing like that swipes him away. If i didn't hate the word i'd say it was ironic.

[Vex Xiang 0]

i must the only human being alive who likes how kirk died. the reason being BECAUSE he was killed by something so ordinary as a fall. He'd survived damn near everything throughout the galaxy because of his skill and a freakish thing like that swipes him away. If i didn't hate the word i'd say it was ironic.

 

Aye...I would have been even happier if Kirk and Picard saved the day...then as they were congradulating each other a stray rock came down and hit Kirk in the head, killing him.

[FredM 0]

I mean have you seen the comercials for tonights finale? It's getting just a little uncool.

Hey there,

 

Well, given what we've seen thus far, I can almost understand the statement. He's already started to act as a bridge between two of the "major" powers within the Alpha Quadrant....Vulcans and Andorians. Those two are two of the four/five who found the Federation....

[Vex Xiang 0]

What, exactly, is wrong with Archer having a important role in founding the Federation? Just curious ;)

[Veloras Itana 0]

What, exactly, is wrong with Archer having a important role in founding the Federation? Just curious ;)

I personally don't think it would be as difficult to accept Archer's role in history if the show itself had stayed true to that history. They've diverted (and in some cases perverted) the character base and timeline so badly that I see it as being nearly impossible to win over or even win back those of us who have been fans from the beginning. Though I will admit the last several episodes are a step in the right direction. It still lacks a true Trek feel in my opinion but, I'm still open to the possibility. I haven't seen the finale yet but, hope they replay it.

 

~Itana

[Vex Xiang 0]

I personally don't think it would be as difficult to accept Archer's role in history if the show itself had stayed true to that history. They've diverted (and in some cases perverted) the character base and timeline so badly that I see it as being nearly impossible to win over or even win back those of us who have been fans from the beginning. Though I will admit the last several episodes are a step in the right direction.

 

How have they diverted and perverted the character base and timeline? Some very small details have been mixed up, based on what characters in the earlier series have said...other than that, this is an era we know next to nothing about.

[Veloras Itana 0]

How have they diverted and perverted the character base and timeline?

To each his own I guess. But, to answer your question...The flirtatious encounters with the timeline police and the whole Ferengi episode when no mention is made of them until TNG (mainly because humans never got that far out into the galaxy until that point making their arrival more an audience grabber than part of a storyline in my opinion) to name a few. The whole show seems based around tantilizing the core audience with catch phrase euphamisms and attracting a new audience with splashy effects and superficial (I live my whole life an hour at a time because I was raised by my television) characters. But, like I said, I remain open to the possibility that things for Enterprise will improve.

 

~Itana

[Lt. Friebel 0]

I geuss i don't understand where you people are coming from. I personally like all of the StarTrek shows.

[STSF Jorlis 0]

I agree with Veloras somewhat. It doesn't really bother me, per se... I suppose you could come up with explanations for all the continuity glitches if you tried hard enough. But I just think it can still be Trek without bringing in Ferengi, Borg, Klingons, Romulans, characters from past series, etc., especially when doing so tends to agitate so many of the core fans that they're trying to target. The Dominion arc proved that on DS9. The Xindi arc has proven that on Enterprise. Seeing Archer and company interact with Ferengi... sure, that can be fun. But it doesn't serve much purpose, and it just seems lazy on the part of the writers. :\ New ideas, new cultures, new frontiers, that's what makes Trek great.

[Vex Xiang 0]

Jorlis I agree that the Ferengi and Borg should not have been part of this series...but when you think about it, what's wrong with having 1 happy-fun episode with pre-TNG Ferengi?

 

And the Borg was a good spinoff of Star Trek First Contact. And we all love First Contact! So how can you be mad at that ;)

 

They weren't made into recurring characters...so just chalk it up to a fun episode. Like Fred said, Trials and Tribbilations didnt make much sense either...but it was fun!

 

I do disagree about the Klingons and Romulans. ENT should be involving them a lot, because this is where the whole basis for them being our enemies for centuries is founded. I'm still waiting to see what makes the Federation and Klingon Empire mortal enemies...we need more Klingon episodes.

 

More importantly...we need to bring in the Romulans to this series. Except now I'm becoming a broken record so I'll stop ^_^

[Seiben 0]

More importantly...we need to bring in the Romulans to this series. Except now I'm becoming a broken record so I'll stop ^_^

yeah, my thoughts exactly, especially with the Earth-Romulan War two years away. So I expect to see alot more of them in the next season, and in the seasons leading up to the war. (provided Enterprise lasts that long). As for Kirk being on Entreprise.. not sure about that. It would be great to see him on Star Trek again, but I like most of you, are starting to get sick of these temporal episodes. ;)

[Nemesis 0]

He could always be Jame's ancestor?

[Captain Huff 0]

Don't forget that Kirk is still thriving in that Nexus thingy... Remember that nobody ever REALLY leaves it when they leave? I would think that thing could spit copies of him out any time and anywhere it feels like.

 

Temporal stuff would be cool too.

[Dumbass 0]

Don't forget that Kirk is still thriving in that Nexus thingy... Remember that nobody ever REALLY leaves it when they leave?

If that were true than everything that happened shortly after the launch of the Enterprise B is nothing more than Guinan's imagination.

[STSF Jorlis 0]

Jorlis I agree that the Ferengi and Borg should not have been part of this series...but when you think about it, what's wrong with having 1 happy-fun episode with pre-TNG Ferengi?

Like I said, it doesn't anger me, I don't think there's anything horrible about it. It just seems pointless, and perhaps a bit lazy. Ferengi are always fun, I agree. But why not just accept that the Ferengi won't be around for another couple hundred years, and create a new fun race? ;) I'm a supporter of happy-fun... I'm on the Hood sim, after all. I'm just all for fresh concepts, really.

 

Reusing the Borg... that does border on being a bit annoying, since their popularity on TNG has made them the race that now has to be beaten to death on the screen. Kudos to DS9 for mostly staying away from the Borg. But that *other* series, well... ^_^ Sometimes you just have to move on. Even if you're in the past. If you can figure that one out. :D

 

As for the Klingons and the Romulans. The Klingons don't need to be involved in Enterprise because of the outbreak of their war... that isn't supposed to happen for about another century. ;) And that's not to mention that Kirk and company know very little about the Klingons in TOS and that it was established that first contact was actually the incident that lead to war. I like the Klingons about as much as the Ferengi, and it's interesting, in theory, to see what the Empire is like earlier. But we've done a hundred Klingon plots, they're not really needed in Enterprise, and they just end up causing continuity glitches.

 

The Romulans, I agree, will have a place in the series as it rolls on. But were they really needed in the 1st season? ;) And no mention of them since? I would have preferred their introduction coming right at the head of the eventual arc.

[Veloras Itana 0]

Like I said, it doesn't anger me, I don't think there's anything horrible about it.  It just seems pointless, and perhaps a bit lazy.

I agree with Jorlis. Lazy is a good word for it. As to whether or not it can just be taken as a fun, if somewhat out of context, series of events. I don't know. I believe that sort of writing would work almost anywhere, except in Trek. The established (and remarkably long lived) fan base knows the history. They know what happens when, how and why. It's what makes the series' special. It's also part of what sets it apart from the rest of television.

To make these sort of schlocky marketing decisions in a prequel to a well established franchise doesn't come off clever or even cute or fun. Just cheesy.

 

But, I'm also in with that group of fans who thinks they got it just right with DS9 and have been going downhill ever since. So my opinion is a bit biased. I refuse to give up hope though. The show has promise and so much potential provided they don't waste it or bury it in cheese.

[Grom 0]

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Five winky faces? Poor Jorlis must have a twitch. :P ;) AAAH! :)

[STSF Jorlis 0]

Poor Jorlis must have a twitch.

It's true. You must have read some of my logs. ;)