Klingon Cloaking Technology

[jerry202 0]

You know you may think that a Klingon ship just disappear.

Well that is not correct. The fact of the matter is that the cloak just sends false readings to the other ships sensors. To make them believe that they are invisible. If you were to go out on the hull of a ship, and a cloaked klingon vessel was there you most likely see it. That is if you were looking in the right place.

How the Kilingons got their cloaking devises in the first place:

The Klingons got the cloak during a very short alliance with the Romulans. Strange I know. Well not much came out of it except for the fact that they could hide from their enemies.

 

Jerry Graham

jerry202

USS REAENT

Ensign

Assistant Engineer :(

[NDak 0]

If only cloaking were that easy!

 

Actualy I belive you're wrong on how they cloak or at least from my understanding of cloaking technolonogy, you are. From what I understand it literally 'bends' the space around the ship . Thats why it takes so much energy. I think what you are thinking of is something they invented for the SS Raven (ST: VOY) called Multi-Adaptive Shielding.

 

As for the alliance, actually they shared a lot of technology during that time, they got a cloaking device (I'd say that pretty significant) and we Rihans (Rommies) got ship designs.

Edited February 20, 2004 by Ern_Ndak

[jerry202 0]

Well acording to my reaserch you are wrong and I am right.

But everyone is welcome to their oppinion.

[Nemesis 0]

Well acording to my reaserch you are wrong and I am right.

But everyone is welcome to their oppinion.

Actually he is right, remember the "Voyage home". He is also wrong too, it cancels out colour reflection so you don't see it with your eyes.

[John_Anderson 0]

From what I have read before, in reliable cannon books, is that what a cloaking device does is that it bends the light around the ship, rendering a ship invisible to the naked eye as well as on any frequency range of scans.

 

Doing this would require, as you'd be almost bending the actual space around the ship, a tremendous amount of energy and that's why cloaked ships can't raise shields or fire weapons.

 

That's why you always hear about Gravitic sensors spread out across the border of the Neutral Zone on the Federation side. Cause even though the ship is invisible doesn't mean you can't pick it up crossing the border. A ship can be invisible but it just can't disappear. :(

 

But then again this all stuff I've read from cannon sources.

[NDak 0]

Actually he is right, remember the "Voyage home". He is also wrong too, it cancels out colour reflection so you don't see it with your eyes.

Exactly, thank you and Anderson both for clarifying my original statement.

 

 

 

The system utilizes photon distortion fields to bend light around the vessel to render it visually undetectable. This lens-like pocket modifies and deforms the surrounding movement and flow of photons, gravitons and electrons etc. which in turn is complemented by both secondary and tertiary layers of particle scattering fields. The combined effect creates a impenetrable camouflage to prevent the vessel being detected by traditional EM sensor sweeps. Advanced anti-proton scans and tachyon screens can on occasion provide a momentary means to penetrate the cloak.

 

The Romulans and Klingons are races known to use Cloaking Devices throughout their fleet. With this system, the energy field created renders their vessels undetectable to sensors, and the eye. Significant power drainage will occur though in order to maintain a stable cloak, and as such weapon systems are rendered cold until the cloak is disengaged and normal power distribution is restored

 

---from the Physics of Star Trek, Dr. Krauss

Edited February 20, 2004 by Ern_Ndak

[Dumbass 0]

I don't believe this thread went on for so long without the only currently serving Chief Engineer of a Klingon ship in STSF getting involved. :(

 

Essentially any cloaking device operates by generating a powerful electromagnetic field that bends light waves around the ship so that it can't easily be detected. However the technology does not always work perfectly. Sometimes it shows up as a distortion, the magnitude of which depends on how accurate the cloaking mechanism is. To see a visual of what I am talking about see The Search for Spock or Predator. For some reason a stationary target seems to have a more accurate cloak than a moving target.

 

Tacheon particles essentially function as a kind of "space dust" that is not refracted by this electromagnetic field, and in some cases is drawn to it. It works just like the areosal sprays you see in spy movies where the spy sprays the room to detect where the hidden laser beams are.

 

This electromagnetic field uses a massive amount of power. This is why it is very difficult for a cloaked ship to power it's weapons or raise it's shields while cloaked. There are exceptions, of course, but not many.

 

As for the brief Klingon-Romulan alliance, all I believe happened is the Romulans traded their cloaking technology to the Klingons in return for some ships.

[Vex Xiang 0]

So then...how does a "Phase Cloak" work?

[Nemesis 0]

So then...how does a "Phase Cloak" work?

It places the ship in a sub-phase I think.

[Vex Xiang 0]

It places the ship in a sub-phase I think.

 

What does that mean?

[LoAmi 0]

What does that mean?

A non-canon answer:

 

Star Trek physics seems to have a principle that all matter in the universe is "tuned" to a wave (of what, I don't know), and that all matter in the universe is in the same phase. For reference, think of a sine wave at some constant frequency. The matter can be represented as being modulated by the wave. (Think of FM radio).

 

Now, think of another sine wave, but, this one is 90 degrees out of phase (where the first one had a maximum, this one has a minimum, and vice versa). If you add the two waves, the sum is zero. Since what you "measure" (or, see) is dependent on the amplitude of the matter-waves, when you're phase-cloaked, you aren't seen. Also, since it can be out-of-phase with any matter, it can cancel out anything and place ships inside materials.

[Dumbass 0]

I'm really not sure why we call it a "phase cloak" since if you are phased you are automatically cloaked as part of the process. The difference in the cloak from a phase, however, is that there is no light refracted. There doesn't need to be since the matter that would be cloaked doesn't exist in this dimention anymore. Light simply passes right through it. (By the way, when I say "light" I am refering to all radiant energy, not just the visible spectrum.

 

Then again, tacheon particles seem to do the job of dephasing. Tacheon particles are like duct tape - they can do anything!

 

But the REAL question is why don't phasers phase? :(

Edited February 20, 2004 by Dumbass

[NDak 0]

Another thing,wasn't the phase Cloak pretty unstable and at best dangerous? Wouldn't want to go dephase into a asterioid or anything (hmm maybe i can rig a personal one to go and sabotage Dac's shoe closet...muhahaha)... :(

Edited February 20, 2004 by Ern_Ndak

[Dumbass 0]

Another thing,wasn't the phase Cloak pretty unstable and at best dangerous? Wouldn't want to go dephase into a asterioid or anything (hmm maybe i can rig a personal one to go and sabotage Dac's shoe closet...muhahaha)... :(

Actually, there was a TNG episode where that very thing happened. I forget the name.

 

And yes, phased cloaks are very problematic. To my knowlege the Romulans are the only ones who are still experimenting with the technology, not with very promising results.

[Nemesis 0]

Actually, there was a TNG episode where that very thing happened. I forget the name.

 

And yes, phased cloaks are very problematic. To my knowlege the Romulans are the only ones who are still experimenting with the technology, not with very promising results.

The one where Leforge and Ro were in a transphasic state?

[Dumbass 0]

The one where Leforge and Ro were in a transphasic state?

That was one of the "phase" episodes, but it wasn't the one I was thinking of. The one I was thinking of was where a former Captain of Riker's, who was now an Admiral, was sent to retrieve his old ship with an experimental (and illegal) phasing device that had dephased inside an asteroid (it could have been a moon) and had to be abandoned.

[Marris Krax 0]

That was one of the "phase" episodes, but it wasn't the one I was thinking of. The one I was thinking of was where a former Captain of Riker's, who was now an Admiral, was sent to retrieve his old ship with an experimental (and illegal) phasing device that had dephased inside an asteroid (it could have been a moon) and had to be abandoned.

I forget the name of the episode as well, but the name of the ship was The Pegasus.

 

Actually, that might have been the name of the episode, too.

 

Bah, I'm so lousy with episode names :(

[Nemesis 0]

That was one of the "phase" episodes, but it wasn't the one I was thinking of. The one I was thinking of was where a former Captain of Riker's, who was now an Admiral, was sent to retrieve his old ship with an experimental (and illegal) phasing device that had dephased inside an asteroid (it could have been a moon) and had to be abandoned.

Oh! I thought you were talking about personal phase cloaks.

[Vex Xiang 0]

Okay.

 

But if a cloak needs so much energy that a ship cant even raise its shields and fire weapons when its got these huge warp cores...how did the JemHaddar generate personal cloaking devices?

[Dumbass 0]

I don't really know, I wasn't a DS9 person. My theory is that they would have had some power unit that was responsible for maintaining the cloak and nothing else. The device wouldn't have to worry about powering a shield or navigation or running a computer (other than itself) or any other power draining activities that you would find on a ship. As I said, the only analogy I can reference is from the Predator movies and even that cloak wasn't foolproof.

Edited February 20, 2004 by Dumbass

[Nemesis 0]

Okay.

 

But if a cloak needs so much energy that a ship cant even raise its shields and fire weapons when its got these huge warp cores...how did the JemHaddar generate personal cloaking devices?

I think it was ship based, similar to communicators.

[Dumbass 0]

I think it was ship based, similar to communicators.

Like I said, I'm not an expert on DS9 stuff. But I now remember in Insurrection that the observation group, including Data, had them. Of course those were land-based, not ship-based, and they were actually cloaking suits, not just a device.

[Seiben 0]

I forget the name of the episode as well, but the name of the ship was The Pegasus.

 

Actually, that might have been the name of the episode, too.

 

Bah, I'm so lousy with episode names :(

Marris is right.. it's called The Pegasus.. It's this one here, yeah?