Sadam Hussien Captured

[Nemesis 0]

Yeah, I guess your not really counted as a criminal, untill you hit at least six million then?

Ummm Travis I think I explained this to you in IM earlier, Hitler is guilty not by the amount but by the fact he tortured those who were not his own citizens now if you want to make wise cracks like that refer to actual facts.

[Travis Kroells 0]

you will notice that he specified "WE" like we deserve any say in the crimes that were not caused to us but those of the Iraqi people so now before people try to shoot me down get the facts first because it does get quite irritating and it would be nice to have a discussion like adults

Yeah, I know your mad because I chewed your out on AIM so much you had to sign off, but is that a reason to nitpick my use of words? I knew what I meant when I said it...And he is our's to deal with?

 

Or are all the soliders that were killed because of his repulican guard, none of our concern?

[Nemesis 0]

Yeah, I know your mad because I chewed your out on AIM so much you had to sign off, but is that a reason to nitpick my use of words?  I knew what I meant when I said it...And he is our's to deal with?

 

Or are all the soliders that were killed because of his repulican guard, none of our concern?

No you did not chew me out you just bantered saying things that for the most part were untrue and certain things and did not listen to what I was going to say so I ended it because I was not going to allow you to continue to give me personal attacks because I did not agree with your opinion. I was trying to keep that stituation out of the boards but I guess you weren't.

 

Who attacked Iraq with inconclusive and false information so don't give me that noble crap now grow up Travis

Edited December 15, 2003 by NEMESIS

[HyperDrive 0]

Before this topic gets locked, I want to throw in my opinions. :)

 

 

This is the first war the United States has entered since World War II that was actually in defense of the United States. Vietnam, Desert Storm, Kuwait... they were all in defense of countries or groups inside of countries that asked the U.S. for help. We agreed, and sent troops.

 

The was against terrorism is a war to protect the people of the United States. I do not believe it is a war for oil, power, or dominance. It is for protection. George W. Bush, and is staff, decided that the United States was no longer neutral, and that Saddam was a threat to the homeland. I fully agree - the United Nations proved that WMD had existed in Iraq at one time. However, I also believe that (as of now) they have mostly been moved to other locations. Since the breakdown of the U.S.S.R., the entire world knew that WMD existed in countries that really didn't know how to use them.

 

Iraq was an obvious threat to the United States, and many other parts of the world. This is why many countries joined in the fight to find Saddam and bin Laden. Terrorists exist, and are a threat to almost every country in the world. They can take over 3rd-world countries, and threaten everyone else. Some even attack - and that's the number one reason the United States was forced to send troops. It was for homeland protection.

 

For my own safety, I do support the war. I also support our troops, and know several people in the Middle East. Perhaps this is selfish, but it's for the good of the United States. You have to realize that most military persons overseas from the United States are both proud and happy to be there. They are there for the good of the nation, and know they are making a difference.

 

Saddam was very large and legitimate threat against the United States and its allies. If we hadn't have invaded Iraq, would he still have his WMD and terrorist's support? I believe so... which is why the war is a good thing.

 

This is also why the capture of Saddam is a great thing for almost every part of the world. It won't stop all terrorism, but it has definately taken a large portion of funds and support away from terrorists. This is one of the great ways the United States is protected: threats are enacted upon, and it's not a waiting game. Unfortunately, we didn't act first. Perhaps we actually waited too long.

 

~HD's Player

[Travis Kroells 0]

Hey Nem, you want to know why I "bantered" you over AIM, to keep it off the boards! If we just got into like a bunch of retards, the topic would be closed, and nobody else would have their say. I'm not about ot let that happen...maybe you cant say that my "noble" beliefs are crap, and that I need to grow up, but Im not going to stoop to your level.

 

Im not going let this topic be closed just because you have a grudge with me.

[Nemesis 0]

Actually HD that was not true if Iraq did harbour any of the WMD as they claimed they would have only been an immediate danger to the countries around Iraq and not America. It is also noted that War is one of the most profitable businesses there is because America does have a large political agreement with the arms department as noted by several former white house officals including, CIA, Generals, and presidents.

[Travis Kroells 0]

Ummm Travis I think I explained this to you in IM earlier, Hitler is guilty not by the amount but by the fact he tortured those who were not his own citizens now if you want to make wise cracks like that refer to actual facts.

Ok Nem, I want to get one thing strait. This is no beef, on reason to "banter" But I want to know the truth.

 

Your acting, and saying that Saddam is not gulity of anything, because the murders, tortures and other atocities that happend, were commited on his own people?

 

Tell me if that is what you think, that is what I want to know...Do you believe Saddam's innocent just becase he did it to his own people?

[Nemesis 0]

Ok Nem, I want to get one thing strait. This is no beef, on reason to "banter" But I want to know the truth.

 

Your acting, and saying that Saddam is not gulity of anything, because the murders, tortures and other atocities that happend, were commited on his own people?

 

Tell me if that is what you think, that is what I want to know...Do you believe Saddam's innocent just becase he did it to his own people?

Read what I am saying only the Iraqi people have a right to convict him not Americans, not the UN, but Iraqi civilians which is what I have been trying to say and told you through IM now do you understand?

[Travis Kroells 0]

I want to know why the Americans cant try him? His forces killed a number of our troops? Do we just let him into the arms of the Iraq's where there'll probalbly linch him, with out a fair trial?

 

Does none of the other nations who lost troops in this war get no say?

[HyperDrive 0]

Actually HD that was not true if Iraq did harbour any of the WMD as they claimed they would have only been an immediate danger to the countries around Iraq and not America. It is also noted that War is one of the most profitable businesses there is because America does have a large political agreement with the arms department as noted by several former white house officals including, CIA, Generals, and presidents.

Last I checked, the definition of a WMD is a military device capable of traveling over 5,000 miles around the world. This would reach the U.S.

 

Right, there was a threat to countries in the Middle East from Saddam. Several also supported the United States. :)

 

What?!?! War is one of the most costly events a country can have. (You call it a business? Uh... don't think so.) The amount of weapons, arms, and military craft are incredibly expensive. The only people who gain money from war are Lockhead, Colt, Winchester, and several tank enterprises. And then they tend to go into a depression after a war is finished. (Great depression - 1930s... duh.)

 

Also note that the United States is not a [money] productive nation. We actually lose money every year, and a major reason of this is because the United States aides both foreign and domestic affairs.

[Nemesis 0]

I want to know why the Americans cant try him? His forces killed a number of our troops? Do we just let him into the arms of the Iraq's where there'll probalbly linch him, with out a fair trial?

 

Does none of the other nations who lost troops in this war get no say?

Because America invaded them based on infactual information meaning that Saddam did not actually commit any world crimes only crimes inside his own country where they should take place in Iraqi courts.

[HyperDrive 0]

Read what I am saying only the Iraqi people have a right to convict him not Americans, not the UN, but Iraqi civilians which is what I have been trying to say and told you through IM now do you understand?

Actually, the United Nations can try Saddam. Iraq was given direct orders by the UN, and he did not comply. The United States can also try him, because he aided terrorists... and caused the death of many American citizens.

[Nemesis 0]

What?!?! War is one of the most costly events a country can have. (You call it a business? Uh... don't think so.) The amount of weapons, arms, and military craft are incredibly expensive. The only people who gain money from war are Lockhead, Colt, Winchester, and several tank enterprises. And then they tend to go into a depression after a war is finished. (Great depression - 1930s... duh.)

War is only costly if its on your turf my friend and who said the money was going to the country?

[Travis Kroells 0]

Look, nothing you say matters to me, sure we invaded them...yeah...uh huh...what ever you say.

 

I dont have time for this, Im going to sleep, I hope nobody closes this so we can debate more latter...

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

Regretfully, since several people don't seem capable of discussing issues without resorting to personal attacks, I'm closing this thread. It's really a shame a major world event like this can't be discussed in a mature manner.