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Thoughts on "Carpenter Street"

How would you rate Enterprise's eleventh episode of the season, "Carpenter Street?"   10 members have voted

  1. 1. How would you rate Enterprise's eleventh episode of the season, "Carpenter Street?"

    • The best episode I've ever seen anywhere!
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    • Was an interesting story. Enjoyed it!
      5
    • Eh, everyone else was on repeats so I watched.
      0
    • For crying out loud...another time travel episode? And there weren't even special effects for it!
      4
    • They should have left Archer behind.
      0
    • Two Words: Captain Wesley
      1

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Hey there,

 

A little late, here's the newest poll on the newest Star Trek: Enterprise episode! :)

 

For those requiring a reminder, episode 311 is "Temporal agent Daniels sends Archer and T'Pol through time to learn what three Xindi-Reptilians are doing in Detroit, Michigan, in 2004."

 

I thought it was an alright episode. Seemed a little typical though. I mean, it wasn't anything real special. But it was some quality story telling and did add another dynamic to the entire Xindi plot.

 

Personally, the most interesting part of the entire episode was the beginning conversation with Daniels. The concept of him saying that in the 30th Century, this entire Earth/Xindi conflict hasn't happened is fascinating. It does make me wonder though if in season five or six, they'll do some temporal "correction" that accounts for this. Archer does something that prevents the Xindi from learning about their future, thus this didn't happen and that didn't happen. I really hope they don't go down that road...think it would be something of a disappointment.

 

I almost wish they'd have the end result be such a drastic change that this entire "30th Century Time Traveling Federation" is elminated. Hum...

 

A major issue I had with the episode was UPN. This episode had some pretty horrible ratings. This was largely due to the fact it was shown on the worst TV day of the entire year...the day before Thanksgiving (U.S.). I think the powers that be would have been smarter to have postponed the episode until December 3rd.

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I thought it was a pretty good episode. Somewhat like 24 though.

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I thought it was good considering people were getting kidnapped by the reptilian species of the Xindi.

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I thought it was an "okay" episode. The fact that, obviously, time-travel hadn't proven harmful to the Universe's future. I'd really like to see that, sometime in the future, Enterprise travels back in time and creates havoc in the future, perhaps being the reason that the entire Xindi conflict is never heard of.

 

But, I didn't like the fact that Starfleet had a "30th Century Time-Travel Police" -type of people. As of the 24th Century, time-travel had been banned in the Federation. Starfleet had discovered problems with time-travel, as shown obviously in "Yesterday's Enterprise." These 30th century people must have been in a covert Federation branch, because time-travel would definately have not been allowed.

 

Overall, it really wasn't a bad episode. But, it was a little corny. You pretty much knew what was going to happen from the beginning. :)

 

~HD

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But, I didn't like the fact that Starfleet had a "30th Century Time-Travel Police" -type of people. As of the 24th Century, time-travel had been banned in the Federation. Starfleet had discovered problems with time-travel, as shown obviously in "Yesterday's Enterprise." These 30th century people must have been in a covert Federation branch, because time-travel would definately have not been allowed.

OK, I didn't see the episode, but I have some points to make anyway.

 

The "Time Travel Police", or whatever they're called, might be an offshoot of Section 31. At least that's the way I would write it. That would explain why they hold others accountable without holding themselves to the same standard.

 

I have some issues with someone in the future saying time travel is illegal in the present. Retroactive laws just don't work.

 

And as for Yesterday's Enterprise, you have to remember that the Enterprise-C did not want to be in the 24th Century. A series of explosions forced them there against their will (or at least without their knowlege). Even by 30th Century standards they broke no law.

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Hey there,

 

Well it's possible that Daniels is from the 30th Century version of Section 31. However, what about what we saw in Voyager...where they have "Time Ships?" I mean...really seems a little too far out there for me.

 

I'd agree that I would like to perhaps see Enterprise do something so drastic that it changes the future. Perhaps they go back in time, stop the Xindi conflict before it stars and in the process cause Daniels/Temporal Cold War in the future to be erased. It would have the effect of being...wait for it...a time travel episode that doesn't end just as it began!

 

Then again though, Archer did come back with three Xindi, a virus and some odd technology. :)

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It does make me wonder though if in season five or six, they'll do some temporal "correction" that accounts for this. Archer does something that prevents the Xindi from learning about their future, thus this didn't happen and that didn't happen. I really hope they don't go down that road...think it would be something of a disappointment.

 

I doubt they'd do anything like that, this is a rather large scale temporal change, if this Xindi stuff was never suposed to happen, so I doubt that "timefleet" if thats what they'd call it, would change it...It'd be like going back, and killing Hitler and Mussolini to prevent WWII, theres just too many unknown sideeffects that you wouldnt beable to predict.

 

And secondly, on a writing subject, I doubt that after spending a full season, maybe even more depending on how this plays out, that they'd erase that all with some sort of a temporal incursion.

 

I like time travel and manipulation though, one of my favorite episodes of all time is "Year of Hell" from Voyager. Half of it was because Kurtwood Smith was in it, but I liked the dynamics of it also. A species of people altering the past to give them a better future.

 

It worked too, because it was a two part episode, sure a whole year passed in it, but their was no real plot development, if they did that on enterprise, a whole season, maybe even more, would be erased.

 

It just wouldnt go, it'd probably be the doom for the show if they pulled something like that.

 

By the way, the next episode involes every ones favorite Andorian, no not Meve...Into the delphic expanse to help Enterprise search for the Xindi wepon...We know that the Andorians were one of the first species to sign into the soon to be created federation, is this a precursor to future relations?

 

Wait, we know that it is...they join the federation...sometimes watching a prequel sucks...like knowing that Anikin is going to fall to the darkside, and that padme is going to die... :) PADME!!!! :) :)

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...It'd be like going back, and killing Hitler and Mussolini to prevent WWII, theres just too many unknown sideeffects that you wouldnt beable to predict.

 

Wait, we know that it is...they join the federation...sometimes watching a prequel sucks...like knowing that Anikin is going to fall to the darkside, and that padme is going to die... :) PADME!!!! :)  :)

I recently saw a Twilight Zone episode (one of the new ones) where this woman went back in time and killed Hitler as a baby. The nanny (a different character) who had been in charge of keeping him safe, simply stole a random baby off the streets who looked like him, told the parents this was their baby, and history pretty much went on unaffected. (It wasn't factually accurate, as in real life Hitler's family was too poor to afford a nanny, but it was an interesting story.)

 

As for Anakin, I think Lucas backed himself into a corner by having Anakin do some of the things he did in AOTC. We know that Anakin will eventually become a Jedi Knight - as Anakin, not Vader - but I don't see how the strict Jedi Council will allow Anakin to "graduate" knowing he killed a tribe of Tuskens and then illegally married.

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I know how Anakin becomes Vader. But I'm not going to tell. MWAHAHAHA :)

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It's simple through bad writting :)

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I found the balance of comedy to drama poor. Was it a dark drama, or was it comedic? The attempt to combine the two didn't work here, imo. I'm not saying that combination*can't* work, it just didn't in this case. As a result I found the "funny" situations and jokes to be anything but.

 

I did however like the concept and general plot. It was different enough from other time travel episodes to be interesting. The Xindi crap is still good. Although I still haven't decided if the "it takes a while for changes in the timeline to trickle down before we know about them" b.s., lol.

 

I am also getting tired of all the focus on Archer and T'Pol. Yeah, we get the obligatory "This week it's some other character!" episodes, but I can just feeeeeel the obligation and exact counting on them.

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I recently saw a Twilight Zone episode (one of the new ones) where this woman went back in time and killed Hitler as a baby. The nanny (a different character) who had been in charge of keeping him safe, simply stole a random baby off the streets who looked like him, told the parents this was their baby, and history pretty much went on unaffected. (It wasn't factually accurate, as in real life Hitler's family was too poor to afford a nanny, but it was an interesting story.)

 

As for Anakin, I think Lucas backed himself into a corner by having Anakin do some of the things he did in AOTC. We know that Anakin will eventually become a Jedi Knight - as Anakin, not Vader - but I don't see how the strict Jedi Council will allow Anakin to "graduate" knowing he killed a tribe of Tuskens and then illegally married.

Dude, how often to do you watch the twlight zone!? I can remember at least two other time travel threads where you've used this hitler one!

 

And to that effect...I in general believe that timetravel is wrong, take that twilight episode...you could go back and kill Hilter, but do you have any idea how much it would change? Theres just two many variables. The grandfather paradox is the perfect theory. What if your grandfather, a potential solider, met your grandmother, a nurse durring WW2. If Hitler was never alive, then the war never happened, and your grandparents wouldnt have met, your mother, or father would never have been born, and we know it takes two to tango, so you wouldnt have been born either...

 

This is all hypothetical, and theories, but still, it raises good points, and thats why I liked this episode.

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Dude, how often to do you watch the twlight zone!? I can remember at least two other time travel threads where you've used this hitler one!

 

And to that effect...I in general believe that timetravel is wrong, take that twilight episode...you could go back and kill Hilter, but do you have any idea how much it would change? Theres just two many variables. The grandfather paradox is the perfect theory. What if your grandfather, a potential solider, met your grandmother, a nurse durring WW2. If Hitler was never alive, then the war never happened, and your grandparents wouldnt have met, your mother, or father would never have been born, and we know it takes two to tango, so you wouldnt have been born either...

You mentioned the thing about going back in time and killing Hitler so that's the example I was thinking of. I loved the original Twilight Zone with Rod Serling, but the later incarnations aren't as good. I don't really watch them that often.

 

And you were pretty close to the mark on how my grandparents really did meet in WWII. My grandmother was in the Navy and my grandfather was in what is now the Air Force (Back then they called it the Army Air Corps). They met in radio mechanic school.

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Steven Hawking (probliy spelled it wrong) stated using the game of pool. That if someone put a 8 ball in thr coner pocket, went back in time, and stoped that event from taking place, he would be shot back to his "present" and the 9 ball would still would have gone into the same pocket. You cant change the past.

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(Back then they called it the Army Air Corps).

The Army Air Corps! I cant even begin to imagine the names your grandfather was called...man...who would call something like that?

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The Army Air Corps! I cant even begin to imagine the names your grandfather was called...man...who would call something like that?

The Department of War (now called the Department of Defense).

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They should have kept that one the same. Department of Defence doesnt have a good ring to it.

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They should have kept that one the same. Department of Defence doesnt have a good ring to it.

It does for the people gives it more of a diplomatic ring instead of war mongering ring to it :)

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But anything we do in defence is pretty much based on war.

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::runs around in circles:: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, THE INSANE PEOPLE OF TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

:) :)

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But anything we do in defence is pretty much based on war.

But you want it to make seem like you are defending yourself and not starting the war always think back to the 60's always the 60's :)

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But you want it to make seem like you are defending yourself and not starting the war always think back to the 60's always the 60's :)

Thats true. Does sound like we're starting a war. But sometimes thats true especially with Bush in office.

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