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Merina

How would you change the world?

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Scarcity of resources is nothing to be afraid of.  It leads mankind to innovate and, as a result, we're better off than if the scarcity had never happened.

I think you hit the nail on the head.  I agree!

 

...wait, what am I saying?

 

::shakes head:: Well...there's a first time for everything I guess....  :D

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Ahhhhhh, I love the smell of anti pessimism I was beginning to think I was the only one who didn't think the world would end :D

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I do not want Hydrogen cars because the pump water into the atmosphere that was never there before which gives us a lot of the same problems as global warming a.k.a massive flooding, far more intense stroms, and other such things such as lots of humidity. Make us feel more like the Ferangi then you ever thought possible :D

um not quite Nem. The whole idea of the hydrogen car is that's it's renewable energy. It goes round and round and round. NO increase in water man. :cool:

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The market price of alternative fuels (and,don't forget, at one point oil was considered an alternative fuel) will gradually become less expensive by comparrison and people will gradually shift to other fuels.  (We're starting to see it now with electric cars but I think they're a long way from becoming more than a novelty item.)

 

The reason I said what I did was this...the current oil companies are making a fortune selling us oil. They're heavily tied in with the automotive manufactering companies. Development of new technologies is expensive. Right now they have no reason to shift from oil to different fuel sources.

 

Except the environment. But saving the environment doesnt buy the CEO of Mobile and Exxon and brand new Ferrari every month.

 

We've only seen electric cars and other fuel sources as "novelty" items because no one wants to spend the money to develop these technologies. The further they develop, the cheaper they will get. But since they have to spend so much to begin with, its not worth the effort. Not to mention the cost of upgrading existing fuel stations to accomodate the new technology.

 

My joke was that in 2050 should we run out of oil, these greedy capitalists would finally have a reason to develop new motor technologies.

 

I'm sure someone will disagree with me here...but this is my particular opinion of corporate America.

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The market price of alternative fuels (and,don't forget, at one point oil was considered an alternative fuel) will gradually become less expensive by comparrison and people will gradually shift to other fuels.  (We're starting to see it now with electric cars but I think they're a long way from becoming more than a novelty item.)

 

The reason I said what I did was this...the current oil companies are making a fortune selling us oil. They're heavily tied in with the automotive manufactering companies. Development of new technologies is expensive. Right now they have no reason to shift from oil to different fuel sources.

 

Except the environment. But saving the environment doesnt buy the CEO of Mobile and Exxon and brand new Ferrari every month.

 

We've only seen electric cars and other fuel sources as "novelty" items because no one wants to spend the money to develop these technologies. The further they develop, the cheaper they will get. But since they have to spend so much to begin with, its not worth the effort. Not to mention the cost of upgrading existing fuel stations to accomodate the new technology.

 

My joke was that in 2050 should we run out of oil, these greedy capitalists would finally have a reason to develop new motor technologies.

 

I'm sure someone will disagree with me here...but this is my particular opinion of corporate America.

well i agree, most of the guys in charge of big oil companies and hand out the cash don't see themselves as still alive or sure as hell still working 50 years from now. so they say, hey who cares! Don't really think i'm a geenpeace member tho, i like fast cars, mcdonalds and everything else that's blowing us up as much as the next man...unless the next man is ralph nader in which case the guy standing next to him. :cool:

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I do not want Hydrogen cars because the pump water into the atmosphere that was never there before which gives us a lot of the same problems as global warming a.k.a massive flooding, far more intense stroms, and other such things such as lots of humidity. Make us feel more like the Ferangi then you ever thought possible :D

um not quite Nem. The whole idea of the hydrogen car is that's it's renewable energy. It goes round and round and round. NO increase in water man. :cool:

Actually no Images they get prue Hydrogen from natural gas not from water it is too costly to get it from water because you need to use loads of electricity to sperate the two elements and the process still does not leave the complete natural formation or something like that its com[lex but it means we need to suck up big time to Russia :D

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Don't really think i'm a geenpeace member tho, i like fast cars, mcdonalds and everything else that's blowing us up as much as the next man...unless the next man is ralph nader in which case the guy standing next to him. :cool:

Remember that scene in Armageddon where Bruce Willis took his golf clubs and balls and was driving them into that boat of protesters?  Man I wish I could do that!   :D

 

Environmentalists are finally starting to learn that protests and lobbying and "grass-roots" efforts will not achieve their goals.  They're willing to experiment with market-based solutions.  What do I mean by market-based?  I mean working in conjunction with market forces instead of against them.

 

An example of what I mean is the case of the African Elephant.  It is considered an endangered species, and it isn't just because of the ivory trade.  Elephants carry diseases, eat lots of food (a scarce commodity in Africa), and knock down huts and small buildings.  No wonder African governments look the other way when they know about poachers.  But in countries where local tribes and villages are allowed to *own* the elephants, and treat them as a source of revenue (more often than not with the provision they don't remove the ivory until the animal is dead of natural causes), they are living long and prospering.  It's common sense.  People don't destroy what they own, and will go out of their way to protect their belongings.

 

Check out the writings of the late economist Julian Simon.  He exposed a lot of the misleading statistics, dogma, and outright fraud in the extreme environmentalist movement and showed that capitalism can be the environment's friend, not it's enemy.

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I'm sure someone will disagree with me here...but this is my particular opinion of corporate America.

well i agree, most of the guys in charge of big oil companies and hand out the cash don't see themselves as still alive or sure as hell still working 50 years from now. so they say, hey who cares! Don't really think i'm a geenpeace member tho, i like fast cars, mcdonalds and everything else that's blowing us up as much as the next man...unless the next man is ralph nader in which case the guy standing next to him. :cool:

Actually,

 

 I don't think this is an accurate view of corporate America, let alone the oil business.  What we read about in the newspapers is not the majority of honest businessmen who have made their money through honest means and have fulfilled the American dream.  It is unfortunate that they become the target for scrutiny and are lumped together with those who lack any sort of economic ethics.

 I would argue that the oil industry most conforms to environmental standards set by the government than any others? Why? Because they are always under fire for what they do.  They know that one slip up could result in even further government crackdown.

 We need to be careful about generalizing corporate America.  Not only do they contribute significantly to our economy, but they employ many of our nation's workers.  Sure I'd love to make as money as they do, but I"m not going to hold a grudge against them because they worked hard and rose to the top.  That, IMO, is unfair.  

 Sometimes...it's all about assuming the best in people and not lumping everyone in with the few that make us shake our heads. :D

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Sometimes...it's all about assuming the best in people and not lumping everyone in with the few that make us shake our heads. :D

Except for lawyers.  99% of lawyers make the rest look bad.   :D

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I've been avoiding this thread, but finally worked up the nerve to check it out.

 

Been great for a few laughs.

 

So.. whats Ziggys grand scheme?

We go back to the horse!!! I've never understood why enviornmentalists didn't want to go this way. I mean, its non poluting transportation, free fertilizer to use on the gardens we should have, etc, etc, etc. But nooooooooooooooooooooooooo the enviornmentalists still use.. *gasp* cars. (Well, some do.)

 

I do think there should be population controls in place, but how are you gonna enforce them in our society? I mean, they work in China, but its not a quasi-democracy like here.

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I've been avoiding this thread, but finally worked up the nerve to check it out.

 

Been great for a few laughs.

 

So.. whats Ziggys grand scheme?

We go back to the horse!!! I've never understood why enviornmentalists didn't want to go this way. I mean, its non poluting transportation, free fertilizer to use on the gardens we should have, etc, etc, etc. But nooooooooooooooooooooooooo the enviornmentalists still use.. *gasp* cars. (Well, some do.)

 

I do think there should be population controls in place, but how are you gonna enforce them in our society? I mean, they work in China, but its not a quasi-democracy like here.

because its fithly slow and more dangerous then cars :D

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:dead:   Hey guys:  I recommend for your attention the holes in the ozone layer, the melting masses of shelf ice in the Antartica, and the inestimable loss of flora and fauna species in the tropical belt lands due to deforestation.  Maybe Martians didn't turn that planet into a dusty red ball.  But we have the ability to so do to our blue-green orb.    :D    Only it won't be blue-green then ... that's right ... gotta think how to rephrase that last clause, mmmmmmm. :D

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Oh most of those enviromentel theorys were done with improper research and were rushed don't worry about most of that climate change is natural and people want to think we are responsible because they think we have power that we really don't :D

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Oh most of those enviromentel theorys were done with improper research and were rushed don't worry about most of that climate change is natural and people want to think we are responsible because they think we have power that we really don't :D

Nah it's more like they have to find some major problem to justify their existance and receive their yearly funding.  Afterall...if the environment were perfect, there wouldn't be any need for environmental groups.  :cool:

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because its fithly slow and more dangerous then cars :D

more dangerous?? How???

 

good lesson in responsibility though.  I can see now...

 

"hey dad, I have a hot date tonight...can I use the horse?"

"Sure kiddo ::dad hands over pitchfork::, but make sure you clean out the stall before you leave."

 

hehe :wink:

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Let me think horse's have brains they get startled and leaving in a city with millions of people lets think about what happen not to mention if you chose to walk ::shudders:: I hope you all got my point :D

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::laughs:: Cars powered by hydrogen...noble thought.  ::starts to reminice :: When I think of hydrogen gas, I am reminded of my 1st year chemistry teacher.  He would always inform his students that if the building ever caught on fire, that we should run like hell!  You see, "long ago," our school used hydrogen gas (what for, I forgot) but with the build up of the flammable gas over the years...well lets just say it would be a tearful and joyous occasion for a pyro.

 

::looks back to the crowd:: I just don't think an automobile powered by H2 gas would be very safe...

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::thinks of getting a hydropowered horse and the fun he could have :D

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Well heres my idea. Stop pollution so the ozone layer doesnt dissapear leaving the earth a dessert which would cause us to abandoned the planet.

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honest businessmen who have made their money through honest means and have fulfilled the American dream.

 

Sorry GromVik, but I have to disagree. With my "experience" in the workforce, I'd have to say most businessmen are in it only for themselves, and will do anything in the process. The "honest" man is a minority.

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Sure I'd love to make as money as they do, but I"m not going to hold a grudge against them because they worked hard and rose to the top.  That, IMO, is unfair.  

Or cos their dad was the chairman of the board  ::D:

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Hereditary wealth is actually very uncommon in America, though you can find the exceptions. :D

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