Affecting Yesterday, Changing Tomorrow

[Vex Xiang 0]

The next day, while sitting there, mindlessy putting together spark plug wires

 

Mindlessly? So YOU'RE the reason why my plug wires failed!

 

Great story Sovak.

[Dumbass 0]

The next day, while sitting there, mindlessy putting together spark plug wires,

You didn't work for Bosch by chance, did you?

[ens_tino 0]

I wouldnt. Anything that I change might make me dead. Example: if I went back and put money in America Online stock, I may have bought a Ferrari...and gotten in a wreck, and died because those cars are made of plastic.

 

And once I'm dead I can't go back and change it again! Heck, I could change something like what restaurant I ate one night 10 years ago...which in turn would change how I got home, what time, when I got up the next morning, my mood, what I did that day...and my entire life would be completely different. And eventually I might walk across a street I may never have before and WHAM be hit by a speeding car.

 

No no...its not worth it. One slip up or unknown and SPLAT.

Sad part is a hockey player just died yesterday after an accident in a Ferrari because his teamate was goin 80mph and lost control and slammed into a brick wall.

 

But sticking to the topic he could have changed that if he told the guy driving to slow down. If we could change that he would still be alive without a scratch on him.

[Vex Xiang 0]

But sticking to the topic he could have changed that if he told the guy driving to slow down. If we could change that he would still be alive without a scratch on him.

 

But what if instead he speeds some other day, and runs over some schoolchildren?

[Grom 0]

But sticking to the topic he could have changed that if he told the guy driving to slow down. If we could change that he would still be alive without a scratch on him.

Yeah...and and and...what if he didn't get in an accident and became the league MVP next year....and and...what if he scored the game winning goal in game 7 of the Stanely Cup against your favorite team? Huh huh huh?   ::P:  J/k

[Nemesis 0]

But sticking to the topic he could have changed that if he told the guy driving to slow down. If we could change that he would still be alive without a scratch on him.

 

But what if instead he speeds some other day, and runs over some schoolchildren?

Geeze Vex what is more important school childeren or an NHL hockey player yeah thats right the Hockey player is. I have said it before and I'll say it again let sleeping dogs lie because if you desturb them you'll get maul and end up dead or worse in a hospital room with me :P

[Captain Huff 0]

Would you change something about the past even if you knew it would drastically affect tomorrow?

 

 This is a tough question that even Star Trek hasn't fully given us an answer to.  

Star Trek has addressed this issue many times (why else would there be a Temporal Prime Directive complete with the temporal police?) and I would say they *have* answered the question.  

 

Their answer is "Let's avoid knowing the future as much as we possibly can.  If we still learn disturbing future events in spite of our efforts not to, we will address each individual case, fully weighing the outcome of all actions to the best of our ability."  That's not their temporal prime directive, it's just what they've done throughout the episodes.  

 

To answer Grom's question to me personally, would *I* change the present to effect future outcome?  Probably.  Would I change minor life details about myself?  No, I'm a firm believer that life experience, both good and bad are of value and add depth to who we are.  Would I change major events involving myself?  Possibly.  If I knew that I or a family member would die prematurely for example from eating too many donuts, I would stop eating and serving donuts (I don't really serve donuts, it's just an example).  Would I change major world events if I knew the consequences in advance?  Yes, I would do as much as I could to do so.

[STSF_BluRox 0]

(I don't really serve donuts, it's just an example)

I can wholeheartedly attest to this fact. I've spent many a weekend at the Huff Bed & Breakfast, and not once, have I ever even 'witnessed' a donut within the abode.  

 

Chocolate and coffee...now that's a whole other matter!

 

Though I remember on vacation, she did have a thing for the "Holey Rings of Betazed", and suspect she's secretly frying and stacking them up........

[Dumbass 0]

I still don't believe they had the gall to add blue food coloring to Bud Light and call it Romulan Ale.    :P

[Cptn Moose 0]

(I don't really serve donuts, it's just an example).

Of course not.  That would require you to share. ;-)

[Nemesis 0]

Huff has a bed and breakfast man I really got to check that place out any life size Kirk replicas ? :P

[AndrewLyon 0]

Hey wait! Why do the temperal police pick on poor Janeway, and Calhoun. Welll Janeway, I can understand, but they never touched Kirk, or Siko. I think they're the fans way of revenge against Captains the fans didn't like. Even though you know what would've been worse, Celine Dion was supposed to be Captain Janeway until she was singing in this little film called Titanic...Were we blessed or smitted you're call trek fans.

[Dumbass 0]

Celine Dion was supposed to be Captain Janeway until she was singing in this little film called Titanic...Were we blessed or smitted you're call trek fans.

More like spared.

[willingham 0]

Oh yeah, Janeway should have stayed as Captain because she lost so much people in her command. Especially in time travel.

[Nemesis 0]

Yeah and she replaced them with terrorists. In my Star Fleet book named "How To Get Your Ship Blown Up" yes that getting your ship filled with terrorists is a good way to get some internal explosions :P

[Captain Huff 0]

I'd like to think Kirk is the *reason* the Temporal Police Force was founded.  :P

 

::squints at Moose and slides the donut box out of sight::

 

And no, I don't have a lifesize replica of Kirk.  Not until they make a 3D one, at least...  But I do know someone who travels with a Picard.  Hm, and parts of him *were* 3D as I recall...

[Nemesis 0]

I'd like to think Kirk is the *reason* the Temporal Police Force was founded.  :P

 

::squints at Moose and slides the donut box out of sight::

 

And no, I don't have a lifesize replica of Kirk.  Not until they make a 3D one, at least...  But I do know someone who travels with a Picard.  Hm, and parts of him *were* 3D as I recall...

Please do not elaborate on the 3D parts for some reason I don't think I want to know :D

[Dr Telano 0]

Well, if you ask me the entire concept of "Temporal Police" is ludicrous. "Oh look, someone mucked up the timeline. Lets go mess with it some more!"

As to the question would I change yesterday to alter tommorow.. well, Telano Ren would tell you it's pointless to attempt to alter what the Prophets have set before us..

Speaking as a previous character tho.. Yes, I did. Took it upon myself to change the entire timeline of our sim to bring back a friend and crewmate who had died.

 

Dr Telano Ren

Chief Medical Officer

USS Arcadia

[ens_tino 0]

Well then you have things like in that movie with Tom Cruise where they arrest muderers before the murder happens so time travel is pretty good. But then you always have that risk of gettin the guy and then the murder was never supposed to happen.

[T'Aniz Jozef 0]

CONUNDRUM TIME ! If the past is set, we are potentially "past" to our future selves.  So, if we go back and attempt changing the past, aren't we limiting our future selves?  In the Star Trek world, those future "TIME POLICE" guys don't take kindly to interference which could delete their existence.  Best to ask the Guardian of Forever on this one. Youze guyz jus' moidered my brain!   :dead:

[Nemesis 0]

CONUNDRUM TIME ! If the past is set, we are potentially "past" to our future selves.  So, if we go back and attempt changing the past, aren't we limiting our future selves?  In the Star Trek world, those future "TIME POLICE" guys don't take kindly to interference which could delete their existence.  Best to ask the Guardian of Forever on this one. Youze guyz jus' moidered my brain!   :dead:

Exactly but as Janeway would say just let temporal mechanics be :D :D

[Dr Telano 0]

they arrest muderers before the murder happens

 

So, basicaly you are arresting someone for something they haven't done. That just seems wrong to me. You could say you are saving the life of the person who was supposedly going to be murdered, but I just don't buy it.

If you propose that they were "meant" to kill this person, then you also have to accept that this person was "meant" to die.

Again the idea of "Time Cops" become ludicrous.

 

Dr Telano Ren