Thoughts On "Extinction."

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

As before....here we go again.

 

Thoughts on the Star Trek: Enterprise episode "Extinction".

 

Personally, I thought it was a good episode. Loved the followup from last week (using the Xindi data). Thought the actual cause of the mutations was a really neat plot twist. Did love to see Archer in the moral attitude at the end. And...while I'm not wild about this entire T'Pol/Trip stress thing...I think they did it in a classy way this episode.

 

I kind of hope we see more about this story at some point in the future. Might be interesting. Though, in a way, I was pleased the episode didn't end with the typical "Well, these other aliens did it" result.

[Travis Kroells 0]

To add to Fred's Archer moral delema...I loved it.

 

For those of you who watched last weeks episode, (which I've already forgoten the name of)  Archer looked ready to just shoot first and ask questions latter.  The fact that he wanted to save the virus, for the fact that it was the last bit of the species shows that while where out here to deal with the Xindi, we still have standards.

 

I think the season will have two main storys, maybe three...

 

1:  Finding the Xindi, and what means they'll go to, to find them

 

2:  What they'll do when they find them...The Xindi think that Enterprise is just a scout for the Fed invading forces...if they find out that it's the only ship starfleet has, well they could see it as an opertunity.

 

3:  Trip and T'pol massaging eachother, to what, what did you say, help each other sleep...god bless UPN.  :D

[Images 0]

give me more damn federation ships is what i say!

[Nemesis 0]

They will have a new one in a few months the NX-02. This episode was great highly moralistic and thought provoking the good ole star trek we all love to see. For me this might have been one of the best Star Trek episodes ever keep up the good work Berman and Braga. One more side note I don't think the Trip and T'pol thing is neither distastful or trashy it is opening us to a new aspect of Vulcan culture and also Trip won't just jump in the bed with T'pol he lost his sister and isn't mentally stable to do it. :D

[Grom 0]

One more side note I don't think the Trip and T'pol thing is neither distastful or trashy it is opening us to a new aspect of Vulcan culture and also Trip won't just jump in the bed with T'pol he lost his sister and isn't mentally stable to do it. :D

I highly doubt that the producers are interested in exploring Vulcan culture, rather, Berman is seeing a failing product to a slowly dying genre.  Frankly, the whole relationship between Trip and T'Pol is about how much we can entice the male population 18-25 into watching our show.  This was done for Voyager and now we are seeing it done again for Enterprise.  I do think it is distasteful and it severely borders on smut.  

 

Whereas I was able to barely tolerate the second season, I'm finding that this third season might turn me off from Star Trek altogether.  The show has serious potential, but it will never be great unless the producers stop looking to capitalize on the raging lusts of the male gender.

[Vex Xiang 0]

I would actually love it if we had the Enterprise in serious trouble with the Xindi a few months from now...then the NX-02 comes in and saves the day.

 

The NX-02 can be called the USS Republic.

[Images 0]

If it's starfleet you need a FLEET! I hardly think it's taken them THIS long to make just a second ship. I mean, each season is a year right, that's 3 years with nothing! Zip! Nada! Starfleet's building team must consist of one guy who thinks he's supposed to be building a tractor

[Dumbass 0]

Frankly, the whole relationship between Trip and T'Pol is about how much we can entice the male population 18-25 into watching our show.  

Oh, and what about us males over 25?  We enjoy gratuitous sex scenes as much as the young whipper-snappers!

[FredM 0]

give me more damn federation ships is what i say!

Hey there,

 

Well, that is something I've been slightly annoyed with for awhile. However, in Season 2's conclusion we *finally* did see some other Federation starships.

 

I think one was the Intrepid. Anyway, supposedly according to reports online, these ships can only travel at warp two. Regretfully, there is zero information about them. And we know that the NX-02 will be ready about the end of Season 3.

 

Wonder what the NX-02's name will be.... Certinally won't be anything "U.S.S." As the NX-01 is simply called "Enterprise", I'm certain all Starfleet ships at this stage hold similiar titles. Suppose "U.S.S." doesn't appear in 2161 when the Federation is formed.

[Vex Xiang 0]

Weve seen lots of other federation ships. They just arent the brand new super-duper NX class.

 

It would make sense also for Starfleet to not spend a ton of resources on a ship design that was previously untested. The Enterprise is more or less a prototype. Where would they be if they were building 10 of them at once, and the Enterprise fell apart in a year? It's an experimental Warp 5 engine...and who knows, Starfleet might just not be good at massproducing complex starships as of yet.

 

We've seen short range ships, long range warp freighters...all kinds of stuff.

 

I think their pace of introducing the NX class makes a lot of sense.

 

I'm certain all Starfleet ships at this stage hold similiar titles. Suppose "U.S.S." doesn't appear in 2161 when the Federation is formed.

 

Makes sense. Doesnt USS stand for United Star Ship? Would be logical that they are designated United after the United Federation of Planets.

 

Wouldn't the current designations be SS Enterprise, etc? Star Ship Enterprise. Remember the SS Valient?

[FredM 0]

Wouldn't the current designations be SS Enterprise, etc? Star Ship Enterprise. Remember the SS Valient?

Hey there,

 

Good point. Perhaps the term "S.S." is something added in the future to reference the past. For example, 23rd century books simply call starships of Starfleet pre-Federation "SS Enterprise" to help clarify what they're talking about. Yet, during that time period, the ship was only called "Enterprise."

 

I think there were several "SS" ships mentioned. Valiant is one, was the Beagle another? I can't recall if that was pre or post 2161.

[Captain Huff 0]

Although this season's move to a darker theme is reekingly obvious ("Hmm, light and frivilous wasn't working, let's try dark and somber!"), I am still glad to see substance.  I am finding the Xindi concept to be well thought out.  (And hey it involves temporal elements which is ALWAYS good in the Book of Huff).  

 

As for Tripp and T'Pol... The only thing more fake than his accent is her nightwear.  

 

Now, one other question...  I thought I saw the dog in one of this season's episodes, yet I could have SWORN I heard Archer mentioning that his dog would be left behind for the mission.  Am I hallucinating or did I catch an episode out of order?

[Nemesis 0]

Just for some word the Federation has yet to exist it is earth's starfleet not the federation's starfleet.  :D

[Images 0]

Just for some word the Federation has yet to exist it is earth's starfleet not the federation's starfleet.  :D

your point? it still consists of enterprise and the half completed space-tractor!  :laugh:

[FredM 0]

your point? it still consists of enterprise and the half completed space-tractor!  :laugh:

Hey there,

 

I got it! The NX-02 will be called the "Excelsior". Season 4 will begin with this new Warp 6 capable ship chasing after a badly damaged NX-01! :D

[Vex Xiang 0]

I got it! The NX-02 will be called the "Excelsior". Season 4 will begin with this new Warp 6 capable ship chasing after a badly damaged NX-01!

 

Leave it to Fred to ruin it for us all!

[Atragon9 0]

Just for some word the Federation has yet to exist it is earth's starfleet not the federation's starfleet.  :D

your point? it still consists of enterprise and the half completed space-tractor!  :laugh:

Not Tractor!!  Manticore is a TUG BOAT!!  Sheesh!

 

::wanders off, muttering under his breath::

[Sovak 0]

Though I did like the moral questions and dilemmas this episode brought up, I still have a problem with the plot device that uses a method of supposedly quickly and easily writing Human DNA and altering appearances, and then fixing it so everything is OK at the end of the episode.  Reminds me too much of bad werewolf movies I watched as a kid.  It's been done before on Trek: "Genisis" from TNG, the episode where Tom supposedly broke warp 10 in voyager (don't recall the name, as the episode was wholly forgettable), and now this one. I'm not sure if it was ever done on DS9, as I missed a lot of those episodes.

 

Anyway, I don't think the plot is very believable. (I know, I know!  Believability is entirely subjective idea in a science fiction genre, but it's my opinion, anyway! :D )

[Dumbass 0]

I didn't see it.  So there.    :D

[Anika818 0]

Now, one other question...  I thought I saw the dog in one of this season's episodes, yet I could have SWORN I heard Archer mentioning that his dog would be left behind for the mission.  Am I hallucinating or did I catch an episode out of order?

That's so sad...I loved the idea of having a dog on a starship!!!  And Porthos was so cute!

[Dumbass 0]

I got it! The NX-02 will be called the "Excelsior". Season 4 will begin with this new Warp 6 capable ship chasing after a badly damaged NX-01! :D

This sounds like one of those word problems from school.

 

"If ship A leaves Earth at Warp 5, and ship B leaves Earth 3 years later at Warp 6, when will the two ships meet?

[Anika818 0]

I thought the episode was interesting, but one thing I am not liking so far is that the creators seem to be creating the Vulcans as superhumans.  Granted, I understand the vulcans are resilient, but not to everything.  And if T'Pol had the antivirus in her system, why was she partially mutated and then unmutated by her own antibodies?  If the antibodies couldn't help her that quickly, then how did it reverse the human mutations so quickly.  The antibody works on viruses, not humans.  Just a thought.

 

As for whta I would think would be cool is that later in the season we find out that starfleet has made a ton of ships, but has not made them operational yet, due to test for the prototype.  Governments are good at hiding things.  And then half way through the season we find 20 of the ships :D  when the Xindi just realize hey we can kick the enterprise's butt...there's only one of them... :DNow that would be cool

[Vex Xiang 0]

DNow that would be cool

 

Yes. Yes it would. Knowing B&B, what will actually happen is Archer will be in a fix...so he'll decide, against his better judgement! to once again go to the room with the future stuff in it...and will refit the Enterprise temporarily with quantum torpedoes and pulse phasers, allowing the Enterprise to escape safely.

[Dumbass 0]

As for whta I would think would be cool is that later in the season we find out that starfleet has made a ton of ships, but has not made them operational yet, due to test for the prototype.  Governments are good at hiding things.  And then half way through the season we find 20 of the ships :D  when the Xindi just realize hey we can kick the enterprise's butt...there's only one of them... :DNow that would be cool

LOL - Is anyone else reminded of that scene in Monty Python's The Holy Grail when near the end of the movie all those knights, squires, footmen, etc. just came out of *nowhere* as if they had been there all along?

[STSF_BluRox 0]

Though I did like the moral questions and dilemmas this episode brought up, I still have a problem with the plot device that uses a method of supposedly quickly and easily writing Human DNA and altering appearances, and then fixing it so everything is OK at the end of the episode.  Reminds me too much of bad werewolf movies I watched as a kid.  It's been done before on Trek: "Genisis" from TNG, the episode where Tom supposedly broke warp 10 in voyager (don't recall the name, as the episode was wholly forgettable), and now this one. I'm not sure if it was ever done on DS9, as I missed a lot of those episodes.

 

Anyway, I don't think the plot is very believable. (I know, I know!  Believability is entirely subjective idea in a science fiction genre, but it's my opinion, anyway! :D )

Thank-you Sovak. I started to respond to this at lunchtime, complaining that this had already been done twice. But, I was called into a quick meeting, and had to log out, and didnt' get to post it. I agree with you 100% on this. It was way too fast.

 

While I'm complaining....they have got to get the Vulcan in a regular uniform. There is no need for the gel, massage, striptease act each time she returns from a tough mission. Hello....out there...yes, they are trying to get the 18-25yr old male demographic, but face it, the majority of the core fans are well into thier late 30's - early 60's.  Look at any con. If I wanted to see that, I'd get a PPV channel.