How was startrek made?

[Nemesis 0]

well i remember when i fist watched farpoint and zorn mentioned the ferengi. i was thinking, Damn! now here comes the most badass enemy ever! all i got was green things in fur coats!

Come on they had whips you have to love their whips I did. The thing also about Ferangi in DS9 they also showed that Ferangi had a strong moral structure and showing the comparitives of how we once were. The Ferangi as well originally showed as villians come to at once work with the Federation so theres teaching you something ;)

[spg 0]

Since the Prime Directive specifically mentions warp drive as one of the criteria for making open First Contact I wonder what the lawyers would say about a society that travels faster than light through some other means.  I assume if those drafting the Prime Directive had meant "faster than light" they would have said so.

Have you been watching in on the Reaent sims again? :-) We actually are in a situtation like this right now, some sort of "search device" has shown up with a non-conventional faster than light engine. All other information is strictly confidential for viewing only by members of the crew. (My way of saying... we don't have a clue what it is yet!  ;))

[FredM 0]

All other information is strictly confidential for viewing only by members of the crew. (My way of saying... we don't have a clue what it is yet!  ;))

::enters his Mr. Burns mode:: Excellent.

[Travis Kroells 0]

I wonder what the lawyers would say about a society that travels faster than light through some other means.  

Heh, thats happening on the Reaent right now, we just ran into a probe that's an species first atempt at faster then light travel, but is not traditional warp drive.

 

Secondly, thats why Starwars doesnt exist in the ST universe...damn prime directive...deprives us of Wokkies, double bladed light sabers, lea in a gold bakkini...the list goes on and on....

[Merina 0]

Gene Roddenberry wrote scripts for other shows, but he decided to write his own show. :wink:

[Dumbass 0]

Secondly, thats why Starwars doesnt exist in the ST universe...damn prime directive...deprives us of Wokkies, double bladed light sabers, lea in a gold bakkini...the list goes on and on....

Well I personally think Padme was way cuter than Leia, even if she wasn't as tall.

[Zertz 0]

Number 1, (lol! Did not intend that!) Leia so far is better due to the golden bikini (Which is rather detailed in Super REturn of the Jedi). Number 2, lets just not imagine Commander Shelby. On a more Star Trek matter, who exactly are the Borg, if Klingons = Russia, Romulans = China and Cardassians = Germany.

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

Who says Star Wars does not exist within the Star Trek universe? The Star Trek world takes place in the Milky Way Galaxy. As Star Wars always proclaimed, it took place "Long ago, in a galaxy far far away." :D

[willingham 0]

NO STAR WARS DISCUSSION WHITHIN THESE WALLS. This is a public service announcement brought to you by... who knows.

[STSF_BluRox 0]

NO STAR WARS DISCUSSION WHITHIN THESE WALLS. This is a public service announcement brought to you by... who knows.

Actually, many of us, enjoy both Star Trek and Star Wars.  

 

For that matter, many of us enjoy B5, Stargate-SG1, Farscape, Space Above and Beyond, The Avengers, Red Dwarf, Sliders, Time Tunnel, Andromeda, Battlestar Galactica, Dr Who and many, many other shows of the Sci-Fi genre.

 

Face it....it's what we all like, what we all watch or read.  

 

There is no need to quibble over what's best...after Trek that is. (JK)

 

And no need to deny others from enjoying the other shows as well. Just sit back and enjoy them all.

 

Blu    :cool:

[Images 0]

the kilingon cold war link is obvious but the china and germany links seem a bit odd

[Dumbass 0]

I'm guessing China-Romulans is that, for most of our history, we've pretty much ignored them.  It was only when they became Communist that we started to pay attention.  Because of this we don't know much about them, like the Romulans.  A lot of it is I think also based on military strategy.  China's strategies are largely based on the writings of Sun Tsu's *The Art of War* which teaches about the use of deception, cunning, and the use of spies, so as to gain the largest advantage with the minimum effort.  That sounds like the way Romulans operate to me.

 

I can see the Cardassian-Germany thing now that I think about it, but I think the situation is more of a metaphor for the Israel-Palastine conflict.  Even here only vaguely.  Maybe the writers were predicting an independent and functioning Palastine (and an oppressive Israel?) would exist by now.

[Grom 0]

I can see the Cardassian-Germany thing now that I think about it, but I think the situation is more of a metaphor for the Israel-Palastine conflict.  Even here only vaguely.  Maybe the writers were predicting an independent and functioning Palastine (and an oppressive Israel?) would exist by now.

If you're looking for a better modern day metaphor, then just look at democratic Israel versus the totalitarian arab states.  The Federation (US and its allies) protected and supported the Bajorans (Israel) against the totalitarian Cardassian Union that threatened to destroy the one resistance that posed a threat to the ideals of that Union.

[Images 0]

i think the isreael-palestine one holds a lot more water as a theory. One minority group holding power over another minority group that yearns to have their land back. The opressed group then forms a terrorist faction that is frowned on by the rest of the world yet sadly understood.

The Israeli-Arab situation would need an established nation vs. another set of established nations. Bajor isn't properly at war with Cardassia because it's in Cardassian control and according to Cardassia, doesn't exist. This is a lot more like Sharon's attitude to Palestine. The Dominion war could be related to the ::shudders at the use of a bush phrase:: Axis of evil as it's a coalition based war, but there are a lot more gaps then similarities in that one.

However i don't think that the Cardassians or Romulans were made with a proper link to a modern day situation unlike the Klingons where even names (Gorkon = Gorbachev = Lincoln) are symbols.

[Grom 0]

i think the isreael-palestine one holds a lot more water as a theory. One minority group holding power over another minority group that yearns to have their land back. The opressed group then forms a terrorist faction that is frowned on by the rest of the world yet sadly understood.

The Israeli-Arab situation would need an established nation vs. another set of established nations. Bajor isn't properly at war with Cardassia because it's in Cardassian control and according to Cardassia, doesn't exist. This is a lot more like Sharon's attitude to Palestine. The Dominion war could be related to the ::shudders at the use of a bush phrase:: Axis of evil as it's a coalition based war, but there are a lot more gaps then similarities in that one.

However i don't think that the Cardassians or Romulans were made with a proper link to a modern day situation unlike the Klingons where even names (Gorkon = Gorbachev = Lincoln) are symbols.

Your argument only holds if you believe that the Palestinian "state" actually rightfully owned any Israeli  disputed territory, and second, whether or not Palestine is justified in getting whatever land they claim, back.  :D But I'm not interested in laying out the entire history of Israel...at least not on these boards.

 

And, just as a side note, if any group, be it Hamas or not, threatens to take the life of myself or my family, I am quite happy to misunderstand them. :)

[Dumbass 0]

What I think we're doing here is assuming that since the Klingons were based on the USSR and the Romulans were based on China that the key races in DS9 have to be modeled after global politics of the time.  This assumption doesn't seem to hold water.  I do remember the first TNG episode Ensign Ro was on and the way she described the Bajoran camps sounded like they might have been based on Palastinians and the PLO, but the analogy didn't hold once DS9 aired (especially once you factor in The Dominion.  Who are they supposed to represent?).  But at the time we were first introduced to Bajorans that was the closest analogy to world events I could think of.

 

An interesting thing is Rodenberry originally saw the Romulans as being the main enemy.  He quickly realised that prosthetic ear pieces are expensive.  This is why you see Romulans in TOS mostly wearing helmets, and you'll also notice Romulan ears were slightly shorter than Spock's.  So he created Klingons which, at the time, looked like humans with goatees.    :D

[Commander Korn 0]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[FredM 0]

What I think we're doing here is assuming that since the Klingons were based on the USSR and the Romulans were based on China that the key races in DS9 have to be modeled after global politics of the time.  This assumption doesn't seem to hold water.

Hey there,

 

Since the actors and writers themselves have stated this, I don't think it's so much an assumption as it is factual. :D

[ens_tino 0]

Well they made startrek then how in gods name did they get all the races and names and machine do hickey things.

[willingham 0]

I just stated that Star Wars should not be discussed at any other topic but this because Star Trek is sort of based on Star Wars, or is it the other way around? I don't know.

[STSF_BluRox 0]

I just stated that Star Wars should not be discussed at any other topic but this because Star Trek is sort of based on Star Wars, or is it the other way around? I don't know.

Star Trek came first.  First airing in 1966 on NBC, it was almost cancelled after both it's first and second seasons. The network unsure about it's young viewership, moved it to the network death slot...Friday nights. Thus, in 1969, the final episode was aired. Turnabout Intruder.

 

A new Star Trek series was planned but didn't come to fruition, but in 1973 - 74, Star Trek the Animated Series was released, using vocals from many of the main characters.

 

A new Trek series was contemplated, but again it was scrapped, and a movie was put into the works.

 

The Star Wars francise released it's first movie,

Episode 4: A New Hope in May 1977.  Seeing the success of the Star War's movie, productions was moved up on ST:TMP. Sadly, there were many things that didn't make it through editing before they quickly threw it out to the masses. Their mistake, as it looks much better, now that they've fixed it up for DVD.

 

Anyway..you can read all of this at ST.com anyway....

[Dumbass 0]

It depends.  If you're talking about the good Star Wars, with most of what is in the movies and the books, then TNG and VOY are based on it.  If you're talking about the bad Star Wars with the Ewoks and Droids cartoons and Jar Jar Binks and the C-3POs breakfast cereal, then TOS, TAS, DS9 and ENT is more appropriate.

[Dumbass 0]

Sadly, there were many things that didn't make it through editing before they quickly threw it out to the masses. Their mistake, as it looks much better, now that they've fixed it up for DVD.

Oh, give me a break.  The Motion Picture sucked!  The only part that didn't put me to sleep was the Klingon ships in the beginning.  Nothing but slow, drawn-out camera shots, even slower dialogue, and uniforms even dorkier than TOS.

 

You can tell the owners of the franchise weren't happy with it because The Wrath of Kahn was so completely different.

[Images 0]

everyone goes on about khan being the great one but something about a guy who hangs out with chippendales just doesn't thrill me! I prefer "the undiscovered country" and "the search for spock" in that order

[Dumbass 0]

Hey, I'm not saying The Wrath of Kahn was the best Star Trek movie ever, but in the early 80s that was all we had.  My point is that it was so completely different from The Motion Picture so as to make it obvious that the owners knew they had to go in a completely new direction.