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AndrewLyon

Why bring back Janeway?

Wikipedia, and a few other sites have been my best friend on keeping up with the "expanded" universe that is Star Trek these days. I have better luck on being arrested for not using my turn singels than I am for finding new English books in Québec. I just read they resurrected Katherine Janeway, and I am wondering why?

 

I am not going to play spolier, but why bring back the Captain of one of the least liked series out there?

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Actually, Voyager was my absolute FAVOURITE Star Trek! It is for many of my friends too.

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Perhaps it is more for the missions and the crew than for Captain Janeway, Mr. Lyon. There were some good aspects to the show and some excellent characters and actors, though the actress who played Janeway left a lot to be desired. Let's hope their resurrection of her brings back those good elements as well.

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Actually, Voyager was my absolute FAVOURITE Star Trek! It is for many of my friends too.

 

Mind elabreating? Since I don't think we saw the same show.

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Perhaps it is more for the missions and the crew than for Captain Janeway, Mr. Lyon. There were some good aspects to the show and some excellent characters and actors, though the actress who played Janeway left a lot to be desired. Let's hope their resurrection of her brings back those good elements as well.

 

I don't mean to insult/offend a GM, but can you bring something to the table to explain this?

 

(Yes, I admt it, I love to debate things.;) )

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Every Trek fan has opinions on the Trek shows or novels and the respective Captains and/or the actors and we're going to have subjects/debates winging back and forth. What about throwing The Next Generation's (as an example) vaunted Captain into the mix? In my opinion, Captain Picard is not a flagship vessel leader.

 

I grew up watching TNG as it was in it's prime when I got into Star Trek and enjoyed it. My father continues to watch Next Gen reruns, so inevitably I'll find myself now looking at TNG plots/characters with a sort of disconnected....observation of clarity or whatever. Watching Picard as an older adult viewer, I now find certain aspects of the character's leadership lacking. I don't find the actor lacking; all hail Sir Patrick Stewart.

 

Maybe Jean-Luc Picard shouldn't have been in command of the 1701-D as the lead flag vessel and representative commanding officer of the Federation Starfleet. The specific leadership capabilities of the character of Picard may have been better utilized. He could have commanded:

 

- Within the capacity of a diplomacy (Picard was a true diplomat and owned it) vessel

- A team dealing with political hot spots and diffusing the situations

- A crew specializing in First Contact missions

- Clandestine observation of non-warp capable societies such as the events shown in Times Arrow

- A team/crew that specialized in spearheading an Archeology (as this was an interest of his) mission

- Exploration mission, deep space, that required his calming mindset for the long mission away

- Medical vessel command. Yes, he was no Medical officer though his personality was suited for rescue/assistance/medical missions

 

Chain of Command (There are FOUR lights!) is also an excellent spotlight on the inner fortitude of Captain Picard and showed what he was capable of. Yes, he is a leader, but not necessarily for the mainstream flag vessel of the Federation Starfleet. In another timeline, who knows?

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Actually, Voyager was my absolute FAVOURITE Star Trek! It is for many of my friends too.

Mind elabreating? Since I don't think we saw the same show.

I don't mean to insult/offend a GM, but can you bring something to the table to explain this?

 

(Yes, I admt it, I love to debate things. ;) )

Explain what, exactly?

 

(Greetings Folks. It was easier to multi-quote.)

 

Kaspian: I also enjoy Voyager and the show got the 24th century out of the safe zone onto the frontier to have the crew actually face the unknown, protect, and explore per the Federation Starfleet.

 

Andrew Lyon: just because you don't care for Voyager doesn't automatically mean that other fans don't enjoy it. We're a very large fan base with almost 50 years of the Trek Universe to play in and enjoy and all of the Treks have merits that will appeal to others but not necessarily to you. The fan culture needs a mutual respect for one another and the particular Trek interests that we may or may not share jointly.

 

Captain Chirakis: asking for an elaboration/explanation from a fellow Trek fan is like bowling with hand grenades. Matter of fact, bowling with the hand grenade is probably safer then dealing with us Trek geeks. *BOOM!*

 

And zooming back to the original topic subject of books: I've no idea why CPT Janeway was brought back in the Trek novels besides the obvious character choice to re-launch the Voyager line of novels? I've read a lot of Trek over the years but it was time for a change of pace to military sci fi/space opera such as David Webers Honor Harrington, Mike Shepherds Kris Longknife, Tanya Huffs Confederation.

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I apologize for not responding so fast, things to do, people to see, and hey I am half singing a song from the back street:)

 

I will agree in a heartbeat, that The Next Generation in more than a few ways had its flaws. Voyager, and Janeway just had more of them.

How many times was that ship blown up, damaged, ect. and the next week it looks as good as new?

 

I view the replacement of Kess during season 3/4 with 7 of 9, as an act of desperation to save them ratings. I am not knocking 7 of 9 as a character, but a blue eye, blonde, with a rather amble chest, yeah, it screams, "We need ratings!" I am getting off topic, I want to focus on Captain Katherine Janeway...

 

For maybe the first 5 episodes, I can give Kate her dues. The character was written for one person, and then she took over. Here are my problems with her:

No one thought to rig up a timed explosive on the Keeper's station, so it could send Voyager back, and blow it up so the Kazon couldn't get their hands on it? Is she dim witted?

She had an Ensign standing two shifts, and never promoted him?

Her crew was close to munity over some of her actions, and come next week it looks like both sides forgive and forget?

She recruits maybe 3 people from the Delta Quadrant. Why doesn't she try to recruit more to replace her loses?

Even when she tried to "be tough" Kate Mulgrew just couldn't pull it off. If I see Picard, Sisko, Kirk, Archer, with a phaser rifle, an undershirt. I see someone to be feared. I see Janeway, and just not to be feared. She's too gentle.

 

I mean Janeway received a fine death, playing with the Borg and all. The Q deal fit in with her profile so to speak. What does she have to contribute as a character besides appeasing the Voyager fans? Picard a seasoned diplomat, and an great warrior.. Sisko the Bajorains love him being back, and he was a leader of the Dominion War. Janeway, I see a fill in, someone who has a lot of 'ves, but no real punch.

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Janeway was in unknown, possibly hostile territory. Her character should have been one of extreme caution, not a polyanna trying to make friends with the universe. My problem with Torres is if they were going to make her into the tough girl character then they should have done it! She should have been Ellen Ripley with ridges and instead we got someone looking she just got done with a beauty contest. Trading Kes for Seven was a good move even if she didn't have boobs. (Can I say boobs here? Well I just did so too late now.). Kes just wasn't an interesting character. Seven had a lot to work with being an ex-Borg and all. Plus they gave her plots that addressed Anika's strengths, not just a generic ex-Borg's.

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Voyager needed to be a hell of a lot sexier,

with the gorgeous cast of babes the show had!

 

Having 7of9 handle the Lion's Share of sex-

appeal was a mistake. Also, the ship needed

to become increasingly worn and battered looking,

as there was no proper way to maintain it, so far

from STARFLEET. And there were lost opportunities,

too, when it came to the way the shows were written.

 

So much potential was there, with the Marquis involved,

for tension, for drama ... all of that went bye-bye,

after the first couple of episodes. Even then, it was

just barely given a nod and everybody's settled in.

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