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Crash Calestorm

Elitist Star Trek?

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There is without a doubt many people who are not happy with the "JJVerse." You can add tons of gripes by these Star Trek Fans who thought JJ Abrams reload was heretical, or had other issues. I believe the movie was PG-13. Although, it has been cited the movie cost 150 million to make; it grossed worldwide over 385 million.

 

 

From the "Bottom Line" perspective "Star Trek 2009 " by far was highest grossing Star Trek Movie of all time. "Primeliners" and "Purists" of Star Trek have to accept that fact.

 

With that success Paramount ponied up for another movie, currently in production.

 

People can criticize the movie all they want. Heck I have some gripes, but I accepted the movie as an amazing success. Calestorm is correct this movie falls into family entertainment. They could make a toy-line from the movie. (I did have a hard time catching kids wearing Star Trek T-shirts though)

 

People will always reject certain works. But like it or not, as foolish as they may be while they are doing it... They are entitled to their opinion. The key thing is of course is how they deliver it.

 

Star Trek Nemesis is one of the prior movies that has been lambasted by Star Trek Fans for their portrayal of the Romulans and their society.

 

It's happened before...it will happen again.

 

You'll always have critics. Some good of course..some downright idiotic.

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Calestorm is correct this movie falls into family entertainment. They could make a toy-line from the movie. (I did have a hard time catching kids wearing Star Trek T-shirts though)

 

I did the same thing, looking for any kids wearing Trek tee shirts when 2009 came out. I found kids in Star Wars tees though! =P

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Precip! What dd I tell you about chasing down little kids?

 

Like the new Star Trek or hate it, there isn't much we can do about it. It's canon now and we're stuck with it. It isn't like Highlander II where we can just look the other way and pretend it didn't happen. I'm not even sure we would *want* to go back to the old canon with increasingly bad work (Enterprise, Nemesis) and a shrinking fan base. In my view the fan base itself was responsible for the demise of the franchise. We moved out of our parents' basements, some of us even kissed members of the opposite sex (or same sex if that's your thing), but we still acted like dorks consuming anything with the Trek label, complaining about canon and bad writing, and then watching it anyway! We should have said "No! We're not watching or buying anymore until you roll out some quality!" Instead we went right back to the pusher to satisfy our addiction. We did ourselves in and have ourselves to blame.

 

We're not supposed to post YouTube videos here but there is a Hitler Reacts video to the recent movie that is very well done. Check it out.

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...but we still acted like dorks consuming anything with the Trek label, complaining about canon and bad writing, and then watching it anyway! We should have said "No! We're not watching or buying anymore until you roll out some quality!" Instead we went right back to the pusher to satisfy our addiction. We did ourselves in and have ourselves to blame.

 

::dryly:: That explains a few things.

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My only serious gripe with the movie is what they did with Chekov. They turned him into some kind of Wesley Crusher-like mathmatical whiz kid, which he never was before, and they made his hair curly instead of the Davy Jones salad bowl cut.

 

That and I would get booted from the STSF academies if I tried making time with a green chick or a GM like Kirk and Uhura did. Aren't our academies PG-13 too?

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In my view the fan base itself was responsible for the demise of the franchise... we still acted like dorks consuming anything with the Trek label, complaining about canon and bad writing, and then watching it anyway! We should have said "No! We're not watching or buying anymore until you roll out some quality!"

 

 

::dryly:: That explains a few things.

 

The 'Dork Factor' can get pretty intense with certain types of Trek fans.

 

That and I would get booted from the STSF academies if I tried making time with a green chick or a GM like Kirk and Uhura did. Aren't our academies PG-13 too?

 

VR does have a point.

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So that means I can get some Academy nookie now?

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So that means I can get some Academy nookie now?

Nope, we keep it clean (and don't make any snide comments on this reply, thankyouverymuch)

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Still it's a good point. If we are calling ourselves PG-13 then let's allow what PG-13 allows. Either that or let's call ourselves something else.

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Still it's a good point. If we are calling ourselves PG-13 then let's allow what PG-13 allows. Either that or let's call ourselves something else.

 

PG-13, STSF-wise, is the classy factor. If you want to make eye candy time with an Orion girl like Wonder Boy in 2009, I'm sure other RPG sites are into that sort of fan fiction. Not STSF.

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Pher,

 

If this were Slashdot, I probably would've modded this one +1 Insightful. But, I'm not sure if I agree with it, at least as far as all of STSF goes.

 

Hey, I designed Joy for that, loaded her Asimov Processor with Roddenberry compatible behaviors. I used to be able to casually run three copies of Joy all over STSF. She'd fit in fine. Now? She's retired. She doesn't fit anywhere anymore. I too am on the Qob, playing an Orion character in a Firefly inspired culture. If you can't play a good girl, the heck with it, I went naughty. I'm having a good time, but I've had to divorce myself from what I used to like about Star Trek. In any future Trek movies, on line, in any upcoming TV show I might expect to see produced, Trek is dead. What we'll see is space opera using Star Trek like props and special effects.

 

Counter example: How I think of Arcadia, which I think of more in the mode of TNG (and maybe even [ack!] the good parts of Voyager?) than, say, the latter seasons of DS9 or season 3 of Enterprise. We're a bunch of people flying through space, encountering strange things, exploring and trying to get what we do right. Sometimes, it works; sometimes, we cause more trouble than we solve, and sometimes, it backfires really badly.

 

Do we occasionally have moments where we bend the prime directive? Sure! Every Trek series does. It's not like Kirk didn't bend the rules occasionally... But it won't happen without a lively debate on the bridge.

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You gotta love the bridge debates. ^_^

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