Welcome to Star Trek Simulation Forum

Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to contribute to this site by submitting your own content or replying to existing content. You'll be able to customize your profile, receive reputation points as a reward for submitting content, while also communicating with other members via your own private inbox, plus much more! This message will be removed once you have signed in.

Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Atragon9

Star Trek Film (2009)

292 posts in this topic

Okay folks, there are people who will be seeing the new Star Trek movie on May 7, before it opens (how does that work, time travel?) There will be those waiting to see it right on May 8, opening night. There are even those who will end up seeing the film later that weekend, or week or month, or... or...

 

It is supremely unfair if people start posting their thoughts about the plot/scenes/characters/ships/etc. to the Boards if others want to see the movie without hearing about it all before they sit down in the theater. So, this is the thread where you enter your thoughts about the movie, so that people who haven't seen it yet can avoid a spoiler post by just not reading beyond this first note.

 

If anyone posts any comments about the movie anywhere else on the Boards, they will be deleted without comment or warning.

 

PLEASE be kind and only put spoilers in this thread. Thanks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I hear the uniforms, though based on the Original uniforms, are actually collar-less. They've a black shirt underneath that gives the impression of a black collar at a distance. The miniskirts are longer and two piece. They've a blouse and matching skirt. That's all I can spoil. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Solid! I give it an A-

 

I'll post more tomorrow. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OK All Just got home from the movie. All I can say is OH MY GOD!!!! I know several folks that are going to be HEAVING Mad. At one point I tapped my friend on the shoulder and said THAT'S NOT Canon. They explained it a little further in the movie but I think the ending should have been a LOT Different.

 

The Special effects of course over stretched the original but that's to be expected and the Watch for the Difference in the bridge.

 

As far as Entertainment Value its 5 Star. As far as Canon, it has a lot to be desired.

 

::wonders if this will wet the appetites of those thinking of not seeing it::

 

I did enjoy it and got a lot of laughs out of it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll probably be one of those heaving mad. I'm a TOS purist and I've been dieing to see what they did to MY SHOW.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I'll probably be one of those heaving mad. I'm a TOS purist and I've been dieing to see what they did to MY SHOW.

 

 

LOL The Hood was mentioned a few times, and OHH YA YOU will be. YOU Diffidently WILL Be!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well the whole point is that it's an alternate timeline. As a stand alone movie, it was awesome, but it chucks 40 years of canon out the window. From a role-playing stance, we just presume we're in the unaltered regular timeline. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How can it be non-canon if it's a movie? Does it directly violate established canon?

 

Also, Cdr Zareh, which unaltered timeline do you mean? In the TAS episode "Yesteryear" they state that the timeline as TOS knew it was in reality an alternate timeline in which Spock survives his khas-whan. (I know TAS is usually considered non-canon, I hope they made most of the facts presented in it canon in this movie.)

Edited by Leila Kalomi

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Since this is the spoiler thread, read no further if you don't want the movie ruined:

 

When Nero travels back in time and destroys the Kelvin and later Vulcan, he creates an alternate-timeline that is completely different from the one in which TOS to Nemesis developed. We can theorize that some events are parallel, but it's impossible, as they actually note in the movie, to know if the universes play out in the exact same way. Thus everything we've done role-playing wise is, technically, not going to be in the same unified canon as this movie and the rest of whatever they do from here on out.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ahhh, I see. That doesn't sound like something I'd stay up till 2 watching in a theater though. I'm supposing that the odd/even phenomenion is in effect here?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I loved it! but it felt more like Battlestar Galactica than Trek, I think. Especially the combat. Gorgeously Brutal.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Chell, I totally agree with you. I personally, adored the movie. It brought a lot to think about into the Trek story line. Plus, the soundtrack was pretty awesome, the effects were very.... well, Trekkish, the plotline was a plus. The canon issue isn't as big to me, as really, it is more likely it is a different universe (think, the whole Mirror idea, but not exactly Mirror) then completely changing it. I had to say, it left a lot unanswered at the end, and maybe that will pressure them into a sequel, which, hopefully, will go into the whole, even-better-then-odd thing, though Nemesis and this movie was an exception.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Saw it and I LOVED IT. It just brought back the core elements of the series to a whole new generation of trekdom. Since this has spoilers I still give the warning anyways:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They pretty much do acknowledge that due to the events of the Kelvin, leading to the destruction of Vulcan, this timeline has become an alternate reality, where nothing really the way it was previously established (Through TOS and up). From a RP standpoint, this does allow the hardcore fans (as some of you are ;)) to continue on their merry lives living in the original lore of Star Trek.

 

This film does however setup a very fascinating future to me for Star Trek, with Vulcans as an endangered species, which makes me think of BSG now that someone mentioned it lol. This also leaves the door open for more stories obviously. I'd be curious to see what some of the GM's could come up with involving essentially this new TOS reality, which I'll call the Ultimate TOS (if you're a comic fan, you'll get this). Not to mention some of the events in TNG timeline which could be considered canon (ala Romulus being destroyed.) Like I said, it leaves a lot to be explored.

 

Nemoy was probably the highlight for me in the movie, as just seeing him was great. He can sit and read the phone book and I'd be entranced in what he was saying. Everyone though did a fantastic job with their roles though, with Karl Urban as my other personal favorite in the movie as Bones. I wanted more Bones dammit! lol Nero is a great addition to the group of Star Trek baddies, as Eric Bana was just downright scary and creepy.

 

The lines were always a nice touch and just made me laugh like a maniac. And I loved the ending leading to the credits. It gave me goosebumps lol.

 

All in all, a great entertaining movie, that was huge and grand, and paid a great service to Star Trek. It may leave some of the hardcore fans a little upset, but I will definitely be seeing it again several times, even this weekend lol.

 

With Love,

John

 

P.S. Told you guys this movie would be EPIC, back to WoW for me ;P

Edited by John_Anderson

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry, but I don't see how destroying the Kelvin could account for Chekhov having dirty-blond curly hair.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sorry, but I don't see how destroying the Kelvin could account for Chekhov having dirty-blond curly hair.

 

Well duh, obviously Chekhov's hair stylist was on the Kelvin and probably got killed, ergo leading to his different hair.

 

So ha! Wrap your head around that. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just got back from the movie and all I have to say is.......WOW!!!

 

I've been a die hard Trek fan for almost 43 years. TOS was and still is MY Trek. And by heaven....I'm a VERY HAPPY CAMPER!!!

 

I am so pleased they chose to reboot the franchise with the original NCC 1701 and Kirk/Spock/McCoy and company. Karl Urban as McCoy was totally awesome!! I'm sure De Kelly would be very pleased. Chris Pine as Kirk was great and I liked the new Spock too! Bruce Greenwood did a wonderful job as Chris Pike.

 

An alternate time line might upset some folks. But I thought it was a great idea....a perfect way to allow the original characters to return for new adventures in the final frontier.

 

Of course we can nitpick this movie to pieces. At the same time, I'm hopeful Trek will be around for a long time to come thanks to this movie. Have to see this one 3 or 4 times. Can't wait until tomorrow. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Odd/even was broke by Nemesis.

 

Odd/even was broken by Insurrection and First Contact. I think it just doesn't apply to non-TOS.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All in all, the movie was very well done. We've always griped that Trek did not have the budget that other major films had. Well, the budget was there and the results were stunning. Here are some of my thoughts as they come rambling out of my head.

 

Pace: The pace of the movie was actually a little slower than it could have been. Not all of the action scenes were super climactic and the slower scenes were more deliberative/dialogue driven. Not that I'm complaining, of course, but there were a few times I was wondering if the slower scenes could have been done a little better to hold attention.

 

Characters: I think the casting was solid. Kirk was quite believable. Spock was not Nimoy, but had his own flair. I thought Sulu was excellent, maybe better than the original. Uhura was decent acting-wise, but I thought her scenes portrayed her very shallow, not the dignified original Uhura. Chekov was comic relief, which was fine for the movie. Pike and Kirk's father also were well done. The three worst characterizations, in my opinion, were Scotty, Nero and Nimoy. I think they missed the mark with the new Scotty, making him more comic relief (See Gimli - LOTR) than the character he was in the show. Nero was very one-dimensional. More on him and the Romulans later. And I've got to say, as much as I like Nimoy's acting, I didn't feel like he was Spock in this movie other than how he looked. Nimoy was almost too human. And give me a break of the gag-me postmodern Disney-esque "do what feels right" line toward the end.

 

Plot: I enjoyed everything related to Star Fleet and the Enterprise. I really wasn't thrilled by the characterization of the Romulans. To me, it seemed like Trek reboot + Nemesis whenever they encountered Nero. The relationship between Uhura and Spock seemed quite manufactured and really wasn't needed in the movie. The birth in the midst of destruction is a pretty tired plot concept, that and time travel. ;) I think they did the best they could do to make the alternate universe, however.

 

Appeal: They did a fantastic job of appealing to the old while ushering in the new. I did not feel like a total geek sitting in the theater, aside from it being opening night. This film surpassed the Star Wars reboots for sure in terms of appeal and delivery.

 

It may seem like I hated the movie, but it's easier to criticize than to praise. I still give it an A- for the fact that this was thoroughly Trek and yet something new.

Edited by Grom

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's it! I'm going to go see it in two hours!

Edited by Leila Kalomi

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey there,

 

I saw it last night. A few things...

 

First, from what I could tell, every showing of this film Thursday night had a capacity crowd. The theatre itself originally only had 2 showings but by Thursday night, had expanded it to 10. It looks like they were all full. I also know the IMAX screening sold out for the entire weekend as of Tuesday. This being said, I think attendance to this film looks to be going strong.

 

Second, people were STANDING outside of the threatre after the film (at Midnight) talking in groups for 30+ minutes. Large amounts of people, just talking about this movie. The reaction inside during the film was amazing. Laughing, clapping, people joking, it was great.

 

Third, by the time the film ended, everything was *pretty much* the way it was supposed to be...down to Christopher Pike being in a wheelchair. The only exception, obviously, is that one planet that blew up. HOWEVER, there is NOTHING in Star Trek lore that ever confirmed the population / location of Vulcan from the TOS Movies forward. Nada, zip. So...that is to say that the "new Vulcan colony" isn't the Vulcan we know from TOS Movies, TNG, DS9, etc.? Nothing. That is even putting into account that yes, the timeline has changed, but....

 

I think the special effects were amazing. The acting was great. I honestly don't have many complaints! Going to go see it again. This film did what it needed. It made me, a die-hard Trek fan, happy and I know it is very approachable by common movie goers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Saw it just now.

 

Characters: Brilliant. The Enterprise crew reborn. Kudos especially to Bones. One exception, Nero was RUBBISH! No motivation, no great line, zip.

 

Plot: Meh. Kinda weak. The canon changes caused me a few winces but nothing a glass of wine won't solve.

 

Issues discussed: Average. No way as deep as it could have been.

 

Action: Hand to hand rocked, space battles were so so

 

Overall Impression: Decent re-boot attempt. Its the sequel that will define if this was a good idea or not.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Well duh, obviously Chekhov's hair stylist was on the Kelvin and probably got killed, ergo leading to his different hair.

 

So ha! Wrap your head around that. ;)

You mean Chekhov actually *paid* for that salad-bowl Moe haircut?

 

I agree, the old Spock wasn't really Spock-like. They didn't even get his ears right. Of course this could be because we haven't seen Nimoy as Spock for around 13-14 years.

 

They could have done more to fill in the gap between Nemesis and the begining of Star Trek. For example, we know that Ambassador Spock was free to operate openly on Romulus but we're not really sure how this came into being. It would have extended the movie, however, which was already over 2 hours.

 

I'm not sure where you guys found the hard-to-get-into showings, but I saw the 7:10 PM showing last night, got to the theatre about 20 minutes before, bought my ticket then, and had no problem gatting a good seat. Keep in mind this is in the heart of Silicon Valley which is where you would expect to find a Trek-ripe audience.

 

It isn't a bad picture, and I can find logical reasons for the canon deviations (such as early 21st century technology being superior to what Roddenbury expected for the 23rd), and things like slightly different uniforms and bridge controls I am willing to live with, but I think this movie was made too soon after the Nemesis and Enterprise failures to be a serious reboot attempt. Batman Begins and the Battlestar Galactica miniseries were much better franchise reboots.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Overall Impression: Decent re-boot attempt. Its the sequel that will define if this was a good idea or not.

So they are making a sequel?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The actors signed on for three movies.

 

For me, it was a lovely experience. Only the Uhura-Spock thread caused my brain to hurt, other than that I thought that everything was so true to form. I could instantly recognize the characters and imagine the original actors playing the same roles. For me, as a hard core fan, I appreciated being able to instantly connect with the characters that I loved in a new adventure. That's how I judge a reboot, and by that nature it was a success.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0