Star Trek Film (2009)

[DrDMatthews 0]

Now, one would think that a Single Nacelle vessel would just be used on short missions. If the nacelle failed, help would be nearby. However, The Kelvin sure was a big ship for short mission. I got the impression she wasn't on one in the movie.

 

-Precip

 

 

I don't think Kelvin was on a short mission. Quite the opposite. As the Captain was preparing to leave for Nero's ship, he made a remark to George Kirk that "there is no help for us out here," or something like that. I got the distinct impression they were a long way from home.

[Leila Kalomi 0]

It struck me that they were surveying.

[STSF Precip 0]

Check out that ship:

 

Now, a ship question to throw out there for all the ship lovers - Hey Precip! I'm lookin' at ya! :-D

 

In the scene were all the ships are scrambling to warp away from the Earth station dock, to the left hand side of the screen, there is a starship that to me at a glance (it's only on screen for two seconds, if that) looks like a cross between an Akira class and a Prometheus class, with four nacelles? Any theories? Anyone find the class of ship anywhere official?

 

I'm not normally into ship class, but this Akira/Prometheus hybrid looking ship or whatever has my curiosity up.

 

Holiday Weekend:

 

According to comcast/yahoo articles, the Trek 2009 film has now made $191 million, and has whooshed past Angels and Demons for the third place highest grossing film of the Memorial weekend.

 

 

 

yikes! There are not many pictures on the web from the movie yet. So I can't recall exactly the ship you are refering too! :(

 

One website I found has a picture of the giant space station with all the Vulcan rescue fleet ships docked. The author pointed out 4 different ship classes in one shot Including Enterprise.. Add the Kelvin and the movie introduced , possibly six types of Federation Starships..heck that beats out First Contact! The only problem is the image has the ships way to small!

 

Until the DVD comes out I am afraid there will be a lot of ship speculation for the time being. I will say this, In another shot one of the ships certainly pays homage to the Miranda class..

 

-Precip

 

"200 million gross within reach woohooo!!"

[V'Roy 0]

The Kelvin captain (Robua - sp?) wore a blue colored tunic, while his second in command (I assume he was second in command, what with being given the battlefield captaincy) George Kirk wore gold. Taking that into account, with the CO sporting the blue sciences, the Kelvin might have been a science/exploratory ship?

Possible, but remember that Beverly Picard wore a red command uniform when she commanded that medical ship in All Good Things... She was rated as a command officer but I'm pretty sure that even in the early 23rd century Starfleet wouldn't put someone not rated for command in a command position unless they had no choice. It is also possible that in the Kelvin's time they were in a "strange uniform period" like in The Motion Picture.

 

As for the time span of their mission, even if it was a scientific mission that still doesn't address how long that mission was scheduled for.

[T'aral 0]

Personally I never had much regard for a 'vast array of ship styles'. It's hell to develop a ship configuration in the first place. Is a shipyard going to make every vessel a complete custom design?

 

There should've been one or two standard hull configurations. The innards and weapons configurations can be vastly different, but the hull silouette should be the same.

 

Nuclear aircraft carriers, destroyers, and submarines basically look the same. Weapon mounts and gun types will probably vary, but from a distance you can't tell one from another. In the Vulcan rescue trip, I don't think there were two vessels that looked alike.

 

My preference, I concede, is a preference.

 

PS: Leila - I'm just loving that sig.

Edited May 26, 2009 by T'aral

[STSF Precip 0]

Personally I never had much regard for a 'vast array of ship styles'. It's hell to develop a ship configuration in the first place. Is a shipyard going to make every vessel a complete custom design?

 

There should've been one or two standard hull configurations. The innards and weapons configurations can be vastly different, but the hull silouette should be the same.

 

Nuclear aircraft carriers, destroyers, and submarines basically look the same. Weapon mounts and gun types will probably vary, but from a distance you can't tell one from another. In the Vulcan rescue trip, I don't think there were two vessels that looked alike.

 

My preference, I concede, is a preference.

 

Valid points. I guess they (Producers, ILM) just wanted to drive ship freaks like me crazy with so many new designs. Just like in "First Contact". Akira is still king in my opinion...but I digress.

 

-Precip

[Jorahl 0]

I think the Kelvin was on a short ranged mission.

 

1. If the black hole formed in the past anywhere near it's original location then it should be somewhere around Romulus and since the Kelvin was already in that area it had to be on the Fed side of the Neutral Zone. So, basically somewhere between Romulus and Earth.

 

2. When the original Enterprise responded to the Romulan attack in Balance of Terror they too were alone without backup, even though they were in the same close area between Romulus and Earth.

 

3. When the black hole reformed when Spock exited, it was mentioned I thought that this was near Vulcan, adding to the idea that it was located somewhere in local space.

 

Uniform Colors: They evamped them between TOS and TNG, they could have easily done so between pre-TOS and new-TOS.

 

And, I love the 4 nacelled ship, though I was wondering if it had 2 nacelles and 2 secondary hulls. It looked more to me like a 4 winged Miranda-class.

[Cptn Corizon 0]

Personally I never had much regard for a 'vast array of ship styles'. It's hell to develop a ship configuration in the first place. Is a shipyard going to make every vessel a complete custom design?

 

There should've been one or two standard hull configurations. The innards and weapons configurations can be vastly different, but the hull silouette should be the same.

 

Nuclear aircraft carriers, destroyers, and submarines basically look the same. Weapon mounts and gun types will probably vary, but from a distance you can't tell one from another. In the Vulcan rescue trip, I don't think there were two vessels that looked alike.

 

My preference, I concede, is a preference.

 

PS: Leila - I'm just loving that sig.

 

Actually, most ships in the US navy do have slight variations, and aren't exactly the same as each other, and even within the same basic "class" you may have several different "sub-classes."

 

It's plausible, that given the nature of Starfleet, the size of the Federation, and the wide-array of mission types that you'd have a number of very different Starship classes, especially given that some of them could come from, at that point, almost 100 years of Federation-standard design.

[Kansas 0]

I've seen the film twice now. One time, treated Dad (he's sci fi guy, must be where I get the genetic coding) to it, and Mom (she tolerates, not a Trek fan at all) came along for the ride with us.

 

Interesting comment from Mom here: she does not agree with Kirk taking command of the Enterprise from Spock in the way that he did on the bridge, pushing him until he snapped out. So, this is coming from a non-Trek fan looking at Kirk's methods from an outsiders perspective, putting aside Spock Primes mind meld hoo rah.

 

Are we more accepting of Kirks actions in the new film because we are generally fans of the show here? And he get's a medal?

 

If I were to watch another non-Trek film with a military officer pulling that sort of coup - and you know, Kirk did mutiny - I'd out and out consider them a sneaky, command seeking reprobate more at home in the Mirror Universe.

 

And then, we have Spock, in command for what I assume is the first time as Acting Captain and such. Fine, he want's to go the logical tactical route and link up what what remains of the fleet in the Larentia (sp) system, and this course of action makes sense.

 

But, logical isn't always better in a tactical battlefield situation. And - He writes off Pike as a POW just like that?! What, no boarding party to rescue him? Spock didn't even consider it, immediately plans to run off to re-group, and yet, Pike gave Kirk the orders to "come get me".

 

... anyone think Pike knew what he was doing by giving Kirk that order during the shuttle ride, instead of Spock directly? Maybe Pike knew Kirk'd be the one to push for getting him back, rather then Spock.

 

Granted, I keep reminding myself that these are supposed to Alternate Timeline Characters (ATC) and certain command traits - good and bad and non existant - might have gotten jostled and changed. Kirk might be way more aggressive. Spock might be less apt/cut out for command level decisions - anyone remember the Galileo Seven when he was so logic determined that he almost got the whole Away Team compromised?

[DrDMatthews 0]

... anyone think Pike knew what he was doing by giving Kirk that order during the shuttle ride, instead of Spock directly? Maybe Pike knew Kirk'd be the one to push for getting him back, rather then Spock.

 

Most definitely!!! When Pike first met Kirk after that barroom brawl, he tried to talk Kirk into enlisting in Starfleet. He talked about George Kirk and the that 'go for it attitude' (those weren't his exact words but he must have figured out Kirk was a risk taker - who else would take on four security officers just to impress a girl) and how Starfleet seemed to have lost that characteristic.

 

I think Pike sized up Jim Kirk on the spot. He knew exactly what he was doing when he made Kirk the XO. He was helping his Vulcan acting captain think outside the box. I really, really liked Chris Pike. Somehow, someway, I hope we see him again.

[Leila Kalomi 0]

Yeah, Pike was awesome. I'm ashamed to think that in The Cage I thought he was a wimpy captain. XD It seems to me that this was a Kirk/Spock movie, with Spock Prime and Captain Pike running the show.

 

PS. T'aral, glad you like it- our GM's are imaginative aren't they? :(

[Kansas 0]

I think Pike sized up Jim Kirk on the spot. He knew exactly what he was doing when he made Kirk the XO. He was helping his Vulcan acting captain think outside the box. I really, really liked Chris Pike. Somehow, someway, I hope we see him again.

 

I liked the Captain Pike character and enjoyed Bruce Greenwoods portrayal as well! Very cool to see Pike get some screen time and some character depth.

 

For years, we've had to be content with only seeing him in "Menagerie" (or as some would say, the original Trek pilot wrapped in an episode) as a wheelchair bound and mute senior command officer that was stricken with horrific injuries on a training cruise, which really was too short a glimpse at the character who was the former Enterprise commander on the ships first five year mission and such.

[Atragon9 0]

Most definitely!!! When Pike first met Kirk after that barroom brawl, he tried to talk Kirk into enlisting in Starfleet. He talked about George Kirk and the that 'go for it attitude' (those weren't his exact words but he must have figured out Kirk was a risk taker - who else would take on four security officers just to impress a girl) and how Starfleet seemed to have lost that characteristic.

 

I think Pike sized up Jim Kirk on the spot. He knew exactly what he was doing when he made Kirk the XO. He was helping his Vulcan acting captain think outside the box. I really, really liked Chris Pike. Somehow, someway, I hope we see him again.

Hey, he also said "you can graduate in 4 years and have your own ship in 8" - Really??!! There are a lot of Academy graduates, there's no way that they all get their own ship 4 years after graduation. Clearly he sensed a greater command aptitude in Kirk and was probably going to mentor him along (having done his thesis on Kirk's dad and all)

[V'Roy 0]

I think Pike's comments were to suggest it is *possible* to get a command in 8 years if the conditions were right, not that it would happen every time. I also think he meant to imply it was 8 years after graduation.

 

He also might not have been thinking exclusively of capital ships. There are plenty of transports and freighters out there that wouldn't necessarily need a Captain by rank to command.

[Shane 0]

When Pike said he could get a ship in 8 years, he might have been thinking about himself. According to Memory-Alpha(I love that site), Pike rose to the rank of Captain in 4 years, the fastest in Starfleet history. Add 4 years as a cadet and you have 8 years.

[DrDMatthews 0]

Check out that ship:

 

Now, a ship question to throw out there for all the ship lovers - Hey Precip! I'm lookin' at ya! :-D

 

In the scene were all the ships are scrambling to warp away from the Earth station dock, to the left hand side of the screen, there is a starship that to me at a glance (it's only on screen for two seconds, if that) looks like a cross between an Akira class and a Prometheus class, with four nacelles? Any theories? Anyone find the class of ship anywhere official?

 

Just got back from seeing the movie again. I don't know about the ship on the left side of the screen, but the one on the right side at about 2 o'clock of Enterprise had three nacelles. They all lit up when the ship jumped to warp. Not sure what that was.

[Grom 0]

Could Kirk really have saved himself while falling off the cliff?

 

Not according to

Pop-Sci. :(

[AndrewLyon 0]

You know, I wanted to like this film. After what's happend with Trek recently I wanted to sit back, and enjoy Star Trek again. I am sorry, the writters & casting screwwed up big time. In a one liner, "This is Star Trek for adrenaline junkies" want to see my problems, read but I am not holding back.

 

Personal Problems

 

Uhura & Spoke: I know this is an alternative time line, but I doubt the Kelvin being destroyed would've affected him being betrothed to T'Pring. I mean for him to be so emtional with her, after Vulcan bough the farm along with his wife to be, whats with it?!?!?

 

Bones: Two flaws with Bones. In the first shot we see him, he has gray in his 5 o'clock shadow implying age, and for the rest of the movie he seems as young as the rest of the crew. Great head, but his body looks like he's a body builder. Bones from TOS doesn't look like a body builder.

 

Chekov: Nice accent, but the hair?!? He went from having brown straight hair, to red curely locks. TOS had it so the Enterprise was his first posting. Anyone care to explain how suddenly him and Kirk became close in age?

 

Kirk: I didn't expect the James T. Kirk we knew, but common the KM win. He was all but screaming to the everyone he cheated before the nerf hit the fan. Too many times when the stakes were more, Kirk played it serious until things happend, and he didn't do it in the old KM. Otherwise Kirk was fine. Mind you he seemed shorter.

 

Ship Problems

 

The Bridge: I expected some redesigning, but that mess? Who puts a white board on the bridge! How about the transparant aluiminm surrounding 3/4ths of bridge? The bridge on the top isn't the best idea, but before it had stuff all around it, and took a while to break it open. Now some snipper from another ship could take out the brains of a ship.

 

The Kelvin's destruction: I know the auto pilot was down, but to hit a ship the size of the Romulan "mining" ship do you really need autopilot? Why didn't George Kirk not just turn on the engines and get the heck off that ship?

 

The Narada: I have several problems with the ship. Its a mining ship, it looks more like a Warship. Considering how many weapons its packing, it should never be considered a mining ship! The intior design, doesn't look remotely anything like a real ship. In space every bit of space is valudable, so to have those huge gaps betweens levels makes no sense. Mind you how a Mining ship survives two-three battles in 2 days with with 40+ ships, and two planatary defense grids is beyond me:-P The idea that Vulcan and Earth lack any kind of planet to space defense system is not realistic.

 

Engineering: Two big problems, what could the Enterprise possibly be cooling with WATER. Second problem, when did Star Fleet install multiple Warp-Cores?! I mean in thoery Enterprise happend, where they show ONE Warpcore. How many ships have more than ONE engine? I've read up on navel tech, and not ONE of them has more than ONE ENGINE, which is what the Warp Core is. Yet, we saw 4, 1,2 3, 4 OF THEM BLOW UP!

 

 

 

I'll be back to rant later about more flaws in this film. I say next time hire Peter David to write it, the man knows what he's doing and doesn't need this alternate time line deal to do a good action filled story.

[Kansas 0]

Tracks listed for the soundtrack:

 

Star Trek

Nailin' the Kelvin

Labor of Love

Hella Bar Talk

Enterprising Young Men

Nero Sighted

Nice to Meld You

Run and Shoot Offense

Does it Still McFly?

Nero Death Experience

Nero Fiddles, Narada Burns

Back from Black

That New Car Smell

To Boldly Go

End Credits

 

I love a composer with a sense of humor when it comes to track titles.

 

And for anyone interested in purchasing the CD or MP3/IPod download I recommend the soundtrack - has a kick azz adventurous naval element intertwined throughout most of the tracks, and the Labor of Love is downright haunting in it's own right.

[V'Roy 0]

Bones: Two flaws with Bones. In the first shot we see him, he has gray in his 5 o'clock shadow implying age,

 

One of my frat brothers had grey hairs at 20. (He was Asian as well so every gray hair stood out.)

 

The Bridge: I expected some redesigning, but that mess? Who puts a white board on the bridge!

 

You would prefer an old chalk board?

 

The bridge on the top isn't the best idea, but before it had stuff all around it, and took a while to break it open. Now some snipper from another ship could take out the brains of a ship.

 

There aren't too many snipers in space.

 

The Kelvin's destruction: I know the auto pilot was down, but to hit a ship the size of the Romulan "mining" ship do you really need autopilot? Why didn't George Kirk not just turn on the engines and get the heck off that ship?

 

How many cars without drivers tend to go in a straight line? Not too many. The Kelvin was still so far away that simply setting the engines on maximum would still not guarantee an impact. Kirk Sr. needed to hit the Narada at its most vulnerable spot (as best as he could ascertain anyway).

 

The Narada: I have several problems with the ship. Its a mining ship, it looks more like a Warship. Considering how many weapons its packing, it should never be considered a mining ship! The intior design, doesn't look remotely anything like a real ship. In space every bit of space is valudable, so to have those huge gaps betweens levels makes no sense. Mind you how a Mining ship survives two-three battles in 2 days with with 40+ ships, and two planatary defense grids is beyond me:-P The idea that Vulcan and Earth lack any kind of planet to space defense system is not realistic.

 

It was a very advanced mining ship. Remember, it came from about a generation after Voyager in what was probably the early 25th century and was now in the 23rd. It was a civilian ship, but I could take the civilian version of modern weaponry to the 18th or early 19th century and kick butt with it. For all we know it might be common Romulan practice to arm their civilian ships the same as military ships.

 

Engineering: Two big problems, what could the Enterprise possibly be cooling with WATER.

 

Whatever needs cooling.

 

The impulse drive is a good possibility. We know it burns gas / plasma and gives off an exhaughst from The Undiscovered Country the way an internal combustion engine does, and internal combustion engines are water-cooled.

 

For all we know, however, the water might have been the thing being cooled.

[V'Roy 0]

I love a composer with a sense of humor when it comes to track titles.

 

Hopefully the next movie will have one then.

 

Come on, admit it, some of those were stinkers.

[Kansas 0]

Bones: Two flaws with Bones. In the first shot we see him, he has gray in his 5 o'clock shadow implying age, and for the rest of the movie he seems as young as the rest of the crew. Great head, but his body looks like he's a body builder. Bones from TOS doesn't look like a body builder.

 

Okay, I'm weighing in on the McCoy/Kelley/Urban blurble. Yes, I also noticed that Karl Urban is buff, mainly because I think he is a hottie.

 

Bones looks like hell during the cadet shuttle ride, I presume, because his wife, quote, "took the whole planet in the divorce".

 

So, you have this guy, who just got shredded during divorce proceedings. He's exhausted mentally and physically, maybe showing some gray in the beard because of the stress onset. And, Urban is 37, so I'm assuming that's about the age McCoy is as well - at least mid thirties. Sure, a guy can have gray by mid thirties.

 

Zoom forward three years, end his academy run, and he's healthier and has a somewhat better outlook/direction with his new Starfleet life.

 

DeForest Kelley was a six footer, and until he got much older, his weight stayed in between 160 and 150 lbs. In the common vernacular, the man was a beanpole, and it is true he was never ripped like Urban. However, I don't think people realize how so called built Kelley was because of the bean pole factor. He was more athletic to Urbans "ripped" McCoy.

 

His forearms and hands were well toned from the extensive gardening (roses) he did throughout the property on his home, and can be seen pretty much every time he wears the short sleeved medical tunic on TOS. As McCoy, since Kelley was the medical guy, he didn't get into too many fisticuffs or swashbuckling stuff like Kirk. In his western days however, circa mid 1950's through mid 1960's? Different story.

 

DeForest K. was definitely in athletic shape from the horseback riding, outdoor shoot locations and running around among scrub oak and rocks, bar fights, and all that stuff that was common to the western TV and movie actor, and he pretty much kept that physique throughout the run of TOS as well.

 

I met Kelley back in 1993, when he was 73. Of course, he was elderly. I was surprised at his retention of his height as well as a general maintaining of that athletic bearing - he was pretty big/tall for a 73 year old. I'm only about 5 foot 3, but I was still dang surprised I only made it up to his chest.

[STSF Precip 0]

US Gross: 222 million. Wow. Boy was I wrong. Haven't found a worldwide figure yet.

 

-Precip

 

PS-The Beastie Boys "Sabatoge" should of been on the Soundtrack!! lol.

[DrDMatthews 0]

US Gross: 222 million. Wow. Boy was I wrong. Haven't found a worldwide figure yet.

 

-Precip

 

 

Estimated global gross = $334.8 Million. ::smiles broadly:: I guess folks liked it.

[Brynna Baxter 0]

I assumed the water was for, oh, plumbing purposes? When you're in space, you only have a certain amount of water, and it has to be processed so that when you take a drink, you can't tell how many kidneys it went through before it got to your mouth. That huge processing plant-type area makes perfect sense to me.