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Atragon9

Star Trek Film (2009)

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While this is described in the comic book that was released with the film, it's not considered canon.

 

While this is a good attempt to explain why the Narada could wipe out a fleet of seven Federation starships (even if they were a century old), it doesn't make any more sense to outfit a mining ship with retrofitted Borg tech than it does to arm it to the teeth with torpedoes.

 

And don't forget a Klingon armada of some 40+ ships.

 

The writers of the movie themselves have said that not everything in the comic has to be considered canon. It really just expands on the whole Romulus getting destroyed and Nero's motivation to destroy everything in his path. A lot of the other stuff, like the changes to the TNG crew in that future, can be left to the fans to decide.

 

The other question you pretty much answered yourself though ;)

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I read somewhere that kirk was supposed to not have a uniform (why he's in the gray shirt) because he's a cadet. But aren't all the others cadets as well? How can Uhura be a Lieutenant, and McCoy be a "Senior Medical Officer" if they're all still cadets?

McCoy was always older than the others on the crew and they played it correctly here, too. He was already an accomplished (we hope) doctor, when he joined Starfleet because his wife took everything else (also might explain why he's always cranky). So, that *could* be why he was considered a senior doctor, if not a senior officer. As for him and Uhura being cadets, they really weren't any more, once Vulcan was attacked. Didn't someone say something along the lines of they all get field promotions, now go join your ships? (I have to go back and see this movie again) Kirk didn't get the promo because he was being held at the Academy for disciplinary actions.

 

Then again, he was never given a real rank by Pike, he was just made the XO, then he became acting Captain when Spock opened up his can of Vulcan whoop-ass. Okay, we skip to the end of the movie and he's back in Cadet maroon/red and gets a medal and a promotion to Captain!? Gotta love those wartime field promotions - oh wait, the war was over by the end, hmmmmmmm.

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Well, I liked the Mind Meld sequence the best out of the whole movie. Just some personal favortism towards it.

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Heh. For some reason at the end when they pin that medal on him, I was waiting for a Wookie to roar and everyone shoot to attention.

Edited by Kairi

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Sure, people will gripe about Vulcan being blowed up/imploded

 

Would you settle for Australia?

 

Yes, Sydney Harbor is a fair bit.... rounder... than it used to be. ::eyes a cat:: And the Presidio is pretty much gone, we slagged the Eiffel Tower -- actually, most of Paris, I think large sections of Beijing...

 

Just call me when you want Vulcan blown up in Agincourt's timeline Colonel Harper, and I'll boot up my chaos macros. G'Day.

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Heh. For some reason at the end when they pin that medal on him, I was waiting for a Wookie to roar and everyone shoot to attention.

 

i felt the same way ;)

 

if no one has mentioned this before, i got the chills when they first showed the Enterprise in space as McCoy and Kirk looks out the shuttle window. It must've been the shiny new ship, i dont know...but it was awesome.

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i got the chills when they first showed the Enterprise in space as McCoy and Kirk looks out the shuttle window. It must've been the shiny new ship, i dont know...but it was awesome.

And the mark of a new era was that they didn't spend TEN MINUTES drifting around it to the tune of expansive music!

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if no one has mentioned this before, i got the chills when they first showed the Enterprise in space as McCoy and Kirk looks out the shuttle window. It must've been the shiny new ship, i dont know...but it was awesome.

 

That was a cool scene, but I even got bigger goosebumps when the ship emerged from Titan.

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yeah when the Enterprise emerged from Titan i was like, "ohh snap..." (same expression when Data had that emotional chip as the saucer section of their enterprise crash into the planet)

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I had a, 'Nero, you frakked -uup-' feeling. Plus, goosebumps.

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And the mark of a new era was that they didn't spend TEN MINUTES drifting around it to the tune of expansive music!

Hear, hear!! Nor did they have the running lights flick on with close-ups so you could see the CGI/Model work in painful detail

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I learned to suspend my disbelief... reaallly suspend my disbelief.

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I wonder why Nimoy-Spock told Kirk to make Quinto-Spock mad. In "This Side of Paradise" Spock pulps Kirk for the same thing. How would Kirk take over command if he would probably be in sickbay?

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And the mark of a new era was that they didn't spend TEN MINUTES drifting around it to the tune of expansive music!

 

Hear, hear!! Nor did they have the running lights flick on with close-ups so you could see the CGI/Model work in painful detail

 

I wonder why Nimoy-Spock told Kirk to make Quinto-Spock mad. In "This Side of Paradise" Spock pulps Kirk for the same thing. How would Kirk take over command if he would probably be in sickbay?

 

Yes - as McCoy and Kirk gazed out the window, I was silently doing the "Please no Motion Picture fly by" mantra. That scene from the Motion Picture is soooooo contrived.

 

The following is just my opinion/take on regarding the Pardon Me As I Make My Spock Freak Out question:

 

I'd say that the Kirk-McCoy bridge confrontation in New Trek Film was a necessary - though not smart - risk on Kirks part, just like TOS's "This Side of Paradise".

 

In "This Side", Kirk discovers that he will need to anger his XO in order to purge the Happy spores from his system and have the Vulcan thinking again in the right frame of his mind. I guess it's assumed that Spocks logic would kick in and he'd refrain from pounding on Kirk once the spores were removed from his system from the surge of adrenaline anger, which is what happens when Spock suddenly realizes why Kirk did what he did (which he comments on) and stopped the beat down.

 

I'd say that the New Film probably operated on this angle as well - Quinto Spock wasn't as decisive as he could be within the battlefield command, and Kirk angered him at Nimoy Spocks urging. But then all of a sudden, Quinto Spocks logic kicks in and he stops, knowing that if he loses it like that when his emotions are hyped (and the man just lost his mother, so that made him a liability, Vulcan control aside) then perhaps his battlefield decisions are influenced by the loss.

 

For the duration of the "Let's stop Nero" campaign, the Enterprise command needed to go to a better suited "risk taker" - and boom, enter Crazy Ass Young Kirk.

 

Kirk is a professional gamble taker. Always has been, across all these timelines. As he got/gets older, that risk taking was and will be re-directed into a more "mature" pattern of decisions, but they are still going to be total Captain "Outside the Box" Kirk.

 

Bottom line is that Kirk's been written as consistent, old and new.

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I guess that makes sense. But it seems Nimoy-Spock is being the biggest risk-taker of all. If Quinto-Spock is so emotionally moved (and toward his enemy, not friend), how do you know when his logic kicks in? After Kirk's dead? Besides, Quinto-Spock will get court-marshalled, not demoted to XO.

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'd say that the New Film probably operated on this angle as well - Quinto Spock wasn't as decisive as he could be within the battlefield command, and Kirk angered him at Nimoy Spocks urging. But then all of a sudden, Quinto Spocks logic kicks in and he stops, knowing that if he loses it like that when his emotions are hyped (and the man just lost his mother, so that made him a liability, Vulcan control aside) then perhaps his battlefield decisions are influenced by the loss.

 

It helped that Spock's dad happened to be there too. ;)

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It helped that Spock's dad happened to be there too. ;)

Funny, I don't think Sarek and Amanda were really mentioned by name. Only as "Spock's parents".

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McCoy was already an MD when he was assigned to the Enterprise, just not a CMO yet. And he was never a Cadet. He was direct-commissioned (or "drafted" as he would probably say it). This is common for doctors and lawyers even in today's military.

 

Uhura received a battlefield promotion to Lieutenant. You are right that Kirk received a battlefield promotion to XO but not to a specific rank. We can deduce, however, that it was probably Lt. Commander since Spock was a Commander and promoted to the Captain position but not the rank.

 

Also, the Romulan mining ship was from even beyond Nemesis's future. Nero's followers weren't even part of the Romulan military. They were an offshoot. But you are talking about what is likely 25th century technology against 23rd century defenses so even civilian technology would whoop ass. (That's rignt, I said "ass". Atragon did it first.)

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McCoy was already an MD when he was assigned to the Enterprise, just not a CMO yet. And he was never a Cadet. He was direct-commissioned (or "drafted" as he would probably say it). This is common for doctors and lawyers even in today's military.

Actually, they played it that McCoy got onto the same cadet shuttle as Kirk and, three years later, he is in cadet red with Kirk (they even discussed studying and the Kobyashi Maru) and they are good buddies - that would not have happened if he had just gone to the Enterprise when we first saw him. I think you have to lump him into the same group as Uhura, as far as getting his commission, but yes, he did go in as an experienced MD.

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Okay..Before I forget to mention it...Urban was fantastic as Leonard "Bones" McCoy.

 

I went in to the movie knowing I probably was not the target audience Paramount was aiming for. That would be someone who has never been to a Trek Movie, or thought it was impossible to view one without knowing Canon...films, TV. Etc. I was a secondary target...the viewer who has been a Canon Fodder person with Trek.

 

So I knew I was probably going to be hit with somethings I didn't agree with..since I was not the primary target audience.

I fell into the group where...Paramount and Abrams was basically made a movie that was going to rock your "Canon" Purist Trekker self...BUTTT.....we'll explain it to you!!!

 

Ahh...alternative timeline creation. Something we in Trek should all be familiar with. It doesnt have to wipe out everything...(okay maybe Vulcan)...but you could still have your basics...Vulcans, Orions ..Klingons, A UFP Starship design and Construction has changed...technology has changed...Perhaps even the size of the Federation.

 

So okay Ill accept this and go for the ride that was the movie Star Trek.

 

Being a Starship Freakaziod The FX were incredible. Thank you ILM..and other contributors.

 

I guess once the Kelvin encountered the Nero's vessel lots of things changed....especially Starship constructionn.

 

IOWA.....

 

Wow...Was it Ironic the Music "Sabatoge" from the Beastie Boys...was playing to see Odd structures in a normally flat Iowa..and a huge Frakkin Excavated canyon Kirk drove the car into. Woah...Things look weird. Nice Car. BTW

 

But man...After all the years I have been watching Trek....seeing a Starship built on the Surface was something I knew was coming but....like..Wow..they did change things. (I hear it now ...Well we never did see NCC-1701 launched in our timeline they could of launched it from the ground!) I think not.. this was one of those timeline deviations that hit a Starship fan..with a WOW. How the heck do they get that thing into space!?. She weighs...well I dunno..but ....a lot!! Or physically..she's got a lot of mass.

 

Okay enough of that little observation..it wasnt supposed to be that big of a deal. Just for me it was. Dunno why.

 

Something else I got...I didn't think Starfleet was as big in this universe...as it was in our's. Just a gut feeling. Heck the fleet was all in one place during Nero's charge toward's Earth?

 

Okay...Now the Romulans. Uh brother...I guess in our Universe...according to Our Spock...Romulus and ..Yes that other planet most likely Remus...got blown to smithereens. So Nero is just one bent Romulan heckbent on watching Our Spock see his own homeworld destroyed...But in another timeline! Nero and his Romulan counterparts despite their huge ship which probably sent chills up "Nemesis Hater's" Spines...still just didnt impress me as villians. Bana is a good actor..I just dont think he was given the material to work with.

 

Errr...Spock's ship reminded me of that Gungan Sub from Star Wars Phantom Menace. I couldn't get Jar Jar Binks out of my head.

 

Red Matter..okay..something new in from "our universe"...I can live with it...especially since "Our Spock"

described what the heck the stuff did.

 

Crew Relationships...in the new Universe did not bug me....actually I thought it added some humor...Spock gets the girl...Kirk doesn't. Imagine that?

 

It wasn't a bad movie. I knew they were reinventing/rebooting/renewing/reviving err..anything else? .. Star Trek going into the film. Was it a 150 million investment that can launch another..Star Trek Generation of fans. Sadly, I don't think it will.

I said it before somewhere...this reminded me of a reboot of "Lost in Space" done several years ago. Another film was not made. I just don't think another film will be made at this time. Yes it made 76 million first extended weekend. But the next blockbuster is due next week so the box office dropoff will be big.

 

Don't get me wrong....if they make another film I'll be happy. I might get to buy another Starship Toy.

 

-Precip

 

Oh yes...Urban rocked as McCoy. Best performance in the movie.

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Ahh...alternative timeline creation. Something we in Trek should all be familiar with. It doesnt have to wipe out everything...(okay maybe Vulcan)...but you could still have your basics...Vulcans, Orions ..Klingons, A UFP Starship design and Construction has changed...technology has changed...Perhaps even the size of the Federation.

 

 

But man...After all the years I have been watching Trek....seeing a Starship built on the Surface was something I knew was coming but....like..Wow..they did change things. (I hear it now ...Well we never did see NCC-1701 launched in our timeline they could of launched it from the ground!) I think not.. this was one of those timeline deviations that hit a Starship fan..with a WOW. How the heck do they get that thing into space!?. She weighs...well I dunno..but ....a lot!! Or physically..she's got a lot of mass.

 

 

Errr...Spock's ship reminded me of that Gungan Sub from Star Wars Phantom Menace. I couldn't get Jar Jar Binks out of my head.

 

Don't get me wrong....if they make another film I'll be happy. I might get to buy another Starship Toy.

 

I loved it! It was a great movie to go watch and I think every fan should go see it. That being said, I was gonna wait till I saw it for a second time this upcoming weekend before I started tearing parts of the movie up but I think Pre hit several of the same things I saw..

 

1- With all the different and exciting changes they have made to the ST universe, this refresh hits me more like a very very close Alternate Universe rather than an alternate timeline. I'm sure this is going to be a point argued for some time.

 

2- Starship construction on the planet?? I know they have a way to create gravity or else we couldn't walk along the corridors but it makes much more sense to build such a massive ship in orbit.. Yes the Rats and other creatures are gonna find a way up to the ship eventually but other than the construction crew needing EVA gear, it would be much easier and cleaner to build it in space.

 

3- YES.. Spock's ship does scream Star Wars.. I swear they even had it's engines sounding like anakin's starfighter, or was that the Kelvin?. <what I wanted to check before posting at the second viewing>

 

4- As for the Toy, I see the new phaser being the hot item this upcoming holiday season. Flip between stun and kill setting.. Simple and cool.. A must own for the geeks. =0)

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Crew Relationships...in the new Universe did not bug me....actually I thought it added some humor...Spock gets the girl...Kirk doesn't. Imagine that?

I sure can. In, 'Trials and Tribble-ations', where Jadzia started talking about how cute she thought Spock was, I was very much with the 'right on' section of the viewers who watched it. Kirk was a great character, but rather annoying. Reminded me of my sister.

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Exerpts from Precips post (because I'm too lasy to wrap in multiple quotes):

 

BUTTT - note 1

 

***

 

Wow...Was it Ironic the Music "Sabatoge" from the Beastie Boys...was playing to see Odd structures in a normally flat Iowa..and a huge Frakkin Excavated canyon Kirk drove the car into. Woah...Things look weird. Nice Car. BTW - note 2

 

***

 

But man...After all the years I have been watching Trek....seeing a Starship built on the Surface was something I knew was coming but....like..Wow..they did change things. (I hear it now ...Well we never did see NCC-1701 launched in our timeline they could of launched it from the ground!) I think not.. this was one of those timeline deviations that hit a Starship fan..with a WOW. How the heck do they get that thing into space!?. She weighs...well I dunno..but ....a lot!! Or physically..she's got a lot of mass. - note 3

 

***

 

Errr...Spock's ship reminded me of that Gungan Sub from Star Wars Phantom Menace. I couldn't get Jar Jar Binks out of my head. - note 4

 

***

 

Crew Relationships...in the new Universe did not bug me....actually I thought it added some humor...Spock gets the girl...Kirk doesn't. Imagine that? - note 5

 

***

 

It wasn't a bad movie. I knew they were reinventing/rebooting/renewing/reviving err..anything else? - note 6

 

***

 

Don't get me wrong....if they make another film I'll be happy. I might get to buy another Starship Toy. - note 7

 

And now my responses:

 

1) Why do you have to add an extra T in BUTT? Atragon even said "ass" in here so it is OK. (You just can't say "arse" in the chat room.)

 

2) I also liked the Nokia car phome. I am definitely buying their stock now.

 

3) We didn't actually see the Enterprise be launched into space, just built on the ground. Perhaps it was tractor-beamed into space by the space station while it was still light enough to do. Just a guess.

 

4) That is a little unfair to Jar Jar Binks, donchathink? He didn't build the Gungan sub, just rode in it. And Spock's ship was even more ridiculous.

 

5) Give Kirk a break, he did come pretty close to scoring. As insanely HOT as the new Uhura is the Orion chick had bigger... uh, I mean... she had bigger... eyes! Yeah, that will do. She had bigger eyes.

 

6) Rewinding

 

7) They already announced the title of the next film. It will be Star Trek XII: The Wrath of Porthos

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Oh yes...Urban rocked as McCoy. Best performance in the movie.

 

If I said his performance was average and didn't stand out beyond the others, will I get flamed? :)

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But man...After all the years I have been watching Trek....seeing a Starship built on the Surface was something I knew was coming but....like..Wow..they did change things. (I hear it now ...Well we never did see NCC-1701 launched in our timeline they could of launched it from the ground!) I think not.. this was one of those timeline deviations that hit a Starship fan..with a WOW. How the heck do they get that thing into space!?. She weighs...well I dunno..but ....a lot!! Or physically..she's got a lot of mass.

Hey, what about how the Engine Room looked more like a manufacturing plant? Metal staircases, all manner of support beams criss-crossing and those big water/etc. tanks and tubes? Was I watching Trek or Terminator 2 - I was waiting for Sarah Connor to run through the room, chased by the T-1000.

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