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Atragon9

Star Trek Film (2009)

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I was hoping someone would mention Sam.

 

Sam probably doesn't exist in the timeline set forth by this new film incarnation, that's just my take on it.

 

However - we have no hard evidence as of yet. If Sam does exist, then perhaps he was born first and is older then Kirk per the original timeline and we just don't see him yet in this new timeline. He was obviously not on the Kelvin.

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lol, when you said that, my mind first went to, Sam SemaJ, and Samantha Kent. I have been spending waay to much time on here.

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Sam probably doesn't exist in the timeline set forth by this new film incarnation, that's just my take on it.

 

However - we have no hard evidence as of yet. If Sam does exist, then perhaps he was born first and is older then Kirk per the original timeline and we just don't see him yet in this new timeline. He was obviously not on the Kelvin.

Memory Alpha tells us:

"George Samuel Kirk was to appear in 2009's Star Trek,where he would have been played by Spencer Daniels. Scenes featuring Daniels as Sam Kirk were filmed, but the character was entirely cut from the final release. The one remaining scene of Daniels playing Sam Kirk, in which Jim Kirk calls out to him as he's driving past him in their step-father's corvette, was altered to change the name of Daniels' character to "Johnny", apparently a friend of Jim's."

 

So, why did Scotty have to have a cute alien sidekick? Siiiigh

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I was also wondering why Starfleet updated all their starships with cadet bridge crews before sending them all off to rescue Vulcan.

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Sam probably doesn't exist in the timeline set forth by this new film incarnation, that's just my take on it.
lol, when you said that, my mind first went to, Sam SemaJ, and Samantha Kent. I have been spending waay to much time on here.

 

::sigh:: So did mine.

 

I was also wondering why Starfleet updated all their starships with cadet bridge crews before sending them all off to rescue Vulcan.

 

Yeah...I was wondering that too. It seemed rather contrived and (if you'll pardon the obvious joke) illogical.

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I think they give some sort of explanation in the beginning.... but I can't really remember it...

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According to Memory-Alpha the bulk of the fleet was in the Laurentian system, preventing them from responding. So they threw together a task force with whatever they had on hand, which was cadets.

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According to Memory-Alpha the bulk of the fleet was in the Laurentian system, preventing them from responding. So they threw together a task force with whatever they had on hand, which was cadets.

Thus emphasizing Starfleet's brilliant strategy of putting all your eggs in one basket and never bothering to build defenses for your homeworlds.

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Memory Alpha tells us:

"George Samuel Kirk was to appear in 2009's Star Trek,where he would have been played by Spencer Daniels. Scenes featuring Daniels as Sam Kirk were filmed, but the character was entirely cut from the final release. The one remaining scene of Daniels playing Sam Kirk, in which Jim Kirk calls out to him as he's driving past him in their step-father's corvette, was altered to change the name of Daniels' character to "Johnny", apparently a friend of Jim's."

 

So, why did Scotty have to have a cute alien sidekick? Siiiigh

 

Almost felt like that was a nod to Star Wars for some strange reason. Random creature...but too "cute" to dislike. Hey, if Nog can enter Starfleet, anyone can.

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Thus emphasizing Starfleet's brilliant strategy of putting all your eggs in one basket and never bothering to build defenses for your homeworlds.

 

But that would have added another 10 minutes to movie. Obviously Nero would've blasted through them. ;)

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Orion "slave girl" as a Starfleet cadet?! How could anyone concentrate in class - or on the same ship as them? It would definitely take more willpower than the typical Alpha Male (or Alpha Female, for that matter) can muster! "Lt., Fire all... ooooohhh, you're looking nice today."

 

Heh-heh, yeah, yummy film, time to go back for seconds!

 

I thought that a bit strange, not to mention that her makeup looked like . . . makeup. Very disconcerting.

 

Seconds? Yes please. And thirds, if possible.

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Would you settle for Australia?

 

 

Yes, Sydney Harbor is a fair bit.... rounder... than it used to be. ::eyes a cat:: And the Presidio is pretty much gone, we slagged the Eiffel Tower -- actually, most of Paris, I think large sections of Beijing...

 

I guess they didn't turn out to be connoisseurs of human culture and history, lol. Funny you mentioned the Eiffel Tower...I think that's one structure that bites the dust more than any others in disaster films. The Statue of Liberty has to run a close second.

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Yeah...I was wondering that too. It seemed rather contrived and (if you'll pardon the obvious joke) illogical.

 

Contrived, yes, but it also appeals to the younger set and goes to the "rebooting" of the franchise. A favorite childhood fantasy is to save the world - or in this case, the universe - when you are still a cadet/student/teen. It's the classic theme of the hero coming from the youngest, most unexpected character, from King Arthur pulling out the sword to Alex saving the galaxy in The Last Starfighter.

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I thought that a bit strange, not to mention that her makeup looked like . . . makeup. Very disconcerting.

 

Seconds? Yes please. And thirds, if possible.

I think Orion makeup in the original series looked better.

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I don't think it matters which series you look at, the Orions have always looked like it was just green makeup.

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::sigh:: So did mine.

 

 

 

Yeah...I was wondering that too. It seemed rather contrived and (if you'll pardon the obvious joke) illogical.

 

I read somewhere that kirk was supposed to not have a uniform (why he's in the gray shirt) because he's a cadet. But aren't all the others cadets as well? How can Uhura be a Lieutenant, and McCoy be a "Senior Medical Officer" if they're all still cadets?

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I read somewhere that kirk was supposed to not have a uniform (why he's in the gray shirt) because he's a cadet. But aren't all the others cadets as well? How can Uhura be a Lieutenant, and McCoy be a "Senior Medical Officer" if they're all still cadets?

 

McCoy wasn't the senior Med guy when he reported to the Enterprise for the crash course in duty.

 

He "inherited" the position when the CMO was taken out in a deck breach (I don't recall the original doctors name, and he/she was never seen). The conversation played out over ship to ship intercom between Pike and McCoy with McCoy informing Pike about what happened.

 

That's how Senior Cadet McCoy fell into the CMO spot - trial by fire.

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Nero's ship was awfully well equipped for a "mining" vessel. Big drill that cuts through planets like butter. Next they'll tell me the Death Star was only mining Alderaan.

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McCoy wasn't the senior Med guy when he reported to the Enterprise for the crash course in duty.

 

He "inherited" the position when the CMO was taken out in a deck breach (I don't recall the original doctors name, and he/she was never seen). The conversation played out over ship to ship intercom between Pike and McCoy with McCoy informing Pike about what happened.

 

That's how Senior Cadet McCoy fell into the CMO spot - trial by fire.

 

But didn't you hear him tell that guy "Do you want to tell Captain Pike why one of his senior medical officers is not on the ship". I understand that he wasn't the CMO, but how could he be a "Senior medical officer" as a cadet.

 

Anyways, $72.5 is ALOT of money. I think we've found a winner with J.J. work on the sequel has already begun, and I've also heard that the beginnings of a new series are coming afloat.

 

Do you think that StarTrek.com will get a makeover now that the franchise is popular again? It was one of my favorite websites (especially on April Fools) and i'd like to see it rejuvenated.

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I have a feeling, McCoy was... exaggerating. Anyways, he was a 3rd year cadet with quite a bit of medical training, and due to Starfleets inability to plan ahead, they had to get out anyone they could.

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Time for Ensign T'Aral's full critique.

 

It stands as an action movie, but that is almost all the positive credit I can give it. Whomever took the reigns of this film wimped out early by *not* choosing to make a film that would stand up to a canonical review. The characters of Kirk, Spock, and the others are not the Adademy versions of the officers we would come to know.

 

1) Kirk is an emo-punk. The "Kobiashi Maru" solution was pathetic.

 

2) Uhura and Spock 'getting it on'? Not a bad pairing, but pretty much rushed right into it - didn't they? Not only that, but Uhura was a cadet while Spock was an instructor ... isn't that a walking ethics violation? Also, Spock was far too responsive.

 

3) The heros rush in but ultimately Vulcan is destroyed. While it's true that such things happen, one misses a greater point. The movie could've spent a lot more time in development if it didn't waste such time in needless action scenes.

 

 

Bottom line: a far better story with far more character development could have been written if the writers took the basic premise, re-arranged it so that the scope of the thread was smaller, and ultimately arrived at a conclusion where ch'Rihan was *saved* - thus ending on a far more positive note in terms of galactic peace.

 

I could write the outline for such a story given enough time, and there would be far more room for characters to interact. The conflict between Spock and Kirk starting with the 'Maru' senario was good, as was some of the early development of Spock. These, for me, were the good parts of the movie. The over-abundance of action and the emo characters stole worlds away.

Edited by T'aral

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Nero's ship was awfully well equipped for a "mining" vessel. Big drill that cuts through planets like butter. Next they'll tell me the Death Star was only mining Alderaan.

 

Actually the Narada had been outfitted with a prototype nanotech that the Romulans had stored away in case of a major attack on the empire. It's actually retrofitted Borg tech applied to Romulan tech. So it could take any ship, in essence, and turn it into a mondo huge killing machine, capable of adapting and even assimilating other ships and tech to make itself better. Even a little mining ship.

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Actually the Narada had been outfitted with a prototype nanotech that the Romulans had stored away in case of a major attack on the empire. It's actually retrofitted Borg tech applied to Romulan tech. So it could take any ship, in essence, and turn it into a mondo huge killing machine, capable of adapting and even assimilating other ships and tech to make itself better. Even a little mining ship.

While this is described in the comic book that was released with the film, it's not considered canon.

 

While this is a good attempt to explain why the Narada could wipe out a fleet of seven Federation starships (even if they were a century old), it doesn't make any more sense to outfit a mining ship with retrofitted Borg tech than it does to arm it to the teeth with torpedoes.

 

Which leads to a different question: why does a mining ship need an extendable device to bore into the crust? And to take it out, why would you have to plant demo charges at the bottom of it, instead of clipping it off higher up? (Although this would have eliminated a pretty awesome orbital skydive scene.)

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(Although this would have eliminated a pretty awesome orbital skydive scene.)

 

I think you just answered yourself. ;)

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