Enterprise, is it worthy?

[Grom 0]

Choose a number, 1 being the lowest, 5 being the highest.

 

 After watching two seasons of Enterprise, I'm curious as to what people think regarding its Star Trek "worthiness."  Is it good enough to be called Star Trek, is it right on par, or is it taking Star Trek to a whole new level?  What's your analysis of Enterprise?

[Dumbass 0]

It sucks!    :)

[Webmaster 20]

I actually really enjoy the series personally.  In a way, I kind of see it like Deep Space Nine...  just taking a while to get it's space legs.

 

DS9 did not "take off" till the 3rd season with the introduction of the Dominion.  Given time, I think Enterprise will find it's "calling".  With the start of the new season with Enterprise looking into the cause of why Earth was attacked, I think there is a lot of potential things that could happen to pick up the series.  Plus there is the temporal cold war.  

 

With that, all heck could break lose in the timeline, and eventually be put right to continue the timeline as we know it.  

 

As it stands though right now...  DS9 is my favorite series.  Followed by TNG... Enterprise...  Voyager (even though I *still* have yet to see how the series ends, lol).  I never really watched much of TOS either.  Mostly because it's never been on TV lately.  lol

[Yvon Hawke 0]

Enterprise isn't Trek. Trek began in TOS... Enterprise is before that, kinda like the prelude to a book that no one reads. ::chuckle::

[Atragon9 0]

I actually really enjoy the series personally.  

... and yet no one has voted for #4 or #5 yet, so you're keeping your enjoyment private, eh?

 

Hmmmm

[STSF_BluRox 0]

I actually really enjoy the series personally.  In a way, I kind of see it like Deep Space Nine...  just taking a while to get it's space legs.

 

DS9 did not "take off" till the 3rd season with the introduction of the Dominion.  Given time, I think Enterprise will find it's "calling".  With the start of the new season with Enterprise looking into the cause of why Earth was attacked, I think there is a lot of potential things that could happen to pick up the series.  Plus there is the temporal cold war.  

 

With that, all heck could break lose in the timeline, and eventually be put right to continue the timeline as we know it.  

 

As it stands though right now...  DS9 is my favorite series.  Followed by TNG... Enterprise...  Voyager (even though I *still* have yet to see how the series ends, lol).  I never really watched much of TOS either.  Mostly because it's never been on TV lately.  lol

Move out from under that rock, Randy!! It's on every day at 6pm!!  Oh wait...I remember now...that's when you sleep since you're up all night!!  LOL

 

::goes back to thinking up more ways to torment Randy:: :wink:

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

What, it sucks because it doesn't have Seven of Nine in a catsuit? I personally have found many of the stories interesting. I don't agree with everything I've seen, but then again, name a series where you did?

 

I have found it interesting how they've explained the introduction of some technologies, first contacts with species we haven't seen for 30 years, etc. I do think there are times that they come close to ignoring the previously established lore, but normally do a decent job.

 

An example I will give was the recent Borg episode. Now anyone who knows me knows that I think this race has been overused and during Voyager was practically destroyed lore wise. However, the Enterprise episode added an entire new aspect to the Borg saga. It now explains how, during the TNG episode "The Neutral Zone", what we a season later learned were the Borg knew where Earth was. It's an interesting aspect.

 

Again, I don't agree with everything...but...overall, I'd give it higher marks than I give Voyager.

[LoAmi 0]

Enterprise has had some very good stories, some very bad ones, and some real doozies.  It just ended its second season, though.  Only TOS managed to be good for its first two seasons (and then got bad in its third).  The later series (TNG, DS9, Voyager) all took time to get better, so I'm reserving judgement on Enterprise until at least its third season.

[Yvon Hawke 0]

What I would have liked to have seen would have been a follow-up to TNG's "Conspiracy".

[STSF StarDust 0]

I must admit I haven't gotten to see all of the Enterprise episodes as it is on the same time as the Arc. So I am always simming and watching at the same time. (How's that for nerdy dedication?)

Other than Archer (I can't stand the actor) I am liking the show so far. I like the characters, they actually seem to have more depth at this stage of the show than some of the others. BUT! I don't like how they are bringing in *bad guys* that according to Trek lore we didn't encounter til much later. I liked the Suliban as *new* bad guys, and getting to expound on the Andorians. I am a continuity freak so seeing Borg was a real turn off. I liked the first season plots much better than the second season.

[Dumbass 0]

Actually, I thought the Borg episode was one of the few examples where they STUCK with the continuity.  Remember, First Contact changed everything.  Of course some TNG and VOY episodes need to be rewritten now, but that's the nature of time travel.  It changes things.

 

But the REAL reason I'm posting is to point out that if someone voted in the "4" choice the poll would look like we're giving Enterprise the finger.    :)

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

How did First Contact change everything? What is it...predesination paradox? Who's to say that's not the way it always happened?

 

From what had been established up to First Contact, timeline doesn't seem to have been altered outside of the fact we now know there were 3 people in the Phoenix. But, again, was it ever established before FC how many people were on the ship? Don't think so.

 

In the same way, was it ever established that Earth hadn't been attacked before? Might explain a few things, like the building of a massive Starbase in orbit.

[STSF Precip 0]

Classic Vanroy post regarding the shape of the bar graph!

 

I chose three because it is a bit to early to judge Enterprise. Some hits some misses episodewise so far.

 

Kudos to the "Regeneration" Episode. Many of my opinions of the borg are similar to Fred's. It restored a bit  of there  menace lost on Voyager in  my  opinion.

 

Precip

[Dumbass 0]

One of the things I was hoping Enterprise could do as a series was explain some of the inconsistencies of the Star Trek franchise.  Instead it is adding to them.  However, Regeneration was the only Enterprise episode to date that fixes a problem in the other shows.

 

Q Who was the TNG episode where we first met the Borg, and presumably when they first met us.  Later on it was revealed they had been attacking Federation and Romulan bases near the Neutral Zone before Q Who (in the "We are back" episode, I forget the actual name).  So Q Who was not the Federation's first contact with the Borg, just the first where there were survivors to tell about it.

 

But when we first saw 7 of 9 she was around 21 years old, and had been assimilated when she was 7 or 8.  That would put her assimilation before either of the TNG episodes mentioned above.  And the Hansens called the Borg by name, and already knew the basics of what made them tick!  This was probably a good 8 years before Guinan told Picard what they were called.  Our knowlege of the Borg's existance kept being moved up in the timeline for no reason we could see.

 

Now we know why.  Enterprise, for once, was able to fix an inconsistency with the other shows, although it does mean we should disregard what we saw in TNG and VOY.  The events that happened in these shows may not have happened that way, or maybe even not at all.  Regeneration makes sense only if the viewer can disregard what supposedly happened in TNG and VOY.

 

I thought it would have been real cool if they reenacted some scenes from First Contact in Regeneration the way they reenacted some scenes from Best of Both Worlds in First Contact.

[FredM 0]

But when we first saw 7 of 9 she was around 21 years old, and had been assimilated when she was 7 or 8.  That would put her assimilation before either of the TNG episodes mentioned above.  And the Hansens called the Borg by name, and already knew the basics of what made them tick!

Hey there,

 

That's true, but...let me phrase it this way.

 

How many "boogie monster" do you remember the name of? You know, ancient deep sea creatures that eat ships? Saying a ship goes down, given modern technology, you give the theory any water?

 

The Hansens say that the species was rumored to be called the Borg. They had set out to prove the existence of the race. Translation...going out to prove Big Foot existed. Now, in the midst of this search, they vanish. Now, given modern technology, would you think Big Foot ate them? No, it was an accident or something. Same with the Borg.

 

Now in reality, the Hansens had confirmed who they were and learned information about them. Remember though, they never got to report those findings to anyone. And if they did, they were in the Delta Quadrant...meaning their signal should reach Earth in what...the mid 26th century?

[Webmaster 20]

Move out from under that rock, Randy!! It's on every day at 6pm!!  Oh wait...I remember now...that's when you sleep since you're up all night!!  LOL

 

::goes back to thinking up more ways to torment Randy:: :wink:

LOL...  sorry.  I live in the middle of nowhere in the heart of Boonyville, USA.   :)

 

There is not much of a choice of "quality TV".

[HyperDrive 0]

There is not much of a choice of "quality TV".

I guess that's why you get TNN.  :)

 

~HD

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

TNN? Your insulting TNN, the one station that will have the only rights to show Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Emissary and Star Trek: Seven Of Nine's Big Adventure past 2005? My, my....well besides. They want to become "SpikeTV," the network for men...saying the courts will ever allow it.

[STSF Jorlis 0]

There is not much of a choice of "quality TV".

I guess that's why you get TNN.  :)

 

~HD

In case it's what you're thinking, TNN isn't just The Nashville Network anymore. :)  We even get it up here in the NY Metro area. Now it's all about POP. Not sure what that means, exactly, but it involves Trek, so I like it! :cool:

[Dumbass 0]

But when we first saw 7 of 9 she was around 21 years old, and had been assimilated when she was 7 or 8.  That would put her assimilation before either of the TNG episodes mentioned above.  And the Hansens called the Borg by name, and already knew the basics of what made them tick!

Hey there,

 

That's true, but...let me phrase it this way.

 

How many "boogie monster" do you remember the name of? You know, ancient deep sea creatures that eat ships? Saying a ship goes down, given modern technology, you give the theory any water?

 

The Hansens say that the species was rumored to be called the Borg. They had set out to prove the existence of the race. Translation...going out to prove Big Foot existed. Now, in the midst of this search, they vanish. Now, given modern technology, would you think Big Foot ate them? No, it was an accident or something. Same with the Borg.

 

Now in reality, the Hansens had confirmed who they were and learned information about them. Remember though, they never got to report those findings to anyone. And if they did, they were in the Delta Quadrant...meaning their signal should reach Earth in what...the mid 26th century?

My point is the Hansens must have gotten THEIR information from somewhere or they wouldn't have made the trip.  They didn't think of the Borg by themselves, or know what to call them.

 

Where did the Hansens get their information?  From the events that happened in First Contact?  That's possible, but Lily had no proof and Cochrane was dismissed as a madman.  No proof or official records existed until the events of Regeneration.  

 

And since the Borg did succeed in sending a message to the Delta Quadrant the Borg must have already been working their way toward the Federation by the time the Hansens left to study them, and certainly before the stardates of Q Who? and that other episode that mentioned the Neutral Zone disappearances.

[FredM 0]

Hey there,

 

Where do people get their information about boggie monsters or UFOs? Rumors...that's all there is.

 

Let's not forget, Guinan's people were floating around the universe. There were 150 of them survivors roaming around since the late 23rd century and I'm sure most were still alive around the the mid 24th century. I'm certain someone asked "What happened to your homeworld?" and they gave an answer. People thought they were out of their minds, but the rumor started. Rumor upon rumor upon rumor....and the Hansens went out to see if the rumor(s) were true. Same way people go looking to see if UFOs are true.

[Dumbass 0]

Then why was Picard and the rest of the Enterprise-D totally unaware of the rumor?

[FredM 0]

Then why was Picard and the rest of the Enterprise-D totally unaware of the rumor?

Hey there,

 

Your aware and current on every "ghost story" and "bookie monster" rumor that exists? Same would hold true then. I doubt they were aware of every story about every "giant alien ship that comes out of the clouds and eats a planet."

 

And even if they did, saying your investigating the sinking of a ship, your going to find a logical answer....right? Your not going to start thinking about a story from the 1800's about a giant sea whale that eats ships are you?  :)

[LoAmi 0]

franchise.  Instead it is adding to them.  However, Regeneration was the only Enterprise episode to date that fixes a problem in the other shows.

 

Q Who was the TNG episode where we first met the Borg, and presumably when they first met us.  Later on it was revealed they had been attacking Federation and Romulan bases near the Neutral Zone before Q Who (in the "We are back" episode, I forget the actual name).  So Q Who was not the Federation's first contact with the Borg, just the first where there were survivors to tell about it.

I'm not sure if "Regeneration" really helped answer so many questions about 7 of 9.  When the Enterprise-D first encountered the Borg, they seemed pretty clueless about them.  I would've just assumed that Annika Hanson lived in some border colony that was attacked by the Borg as a testing ground (if the timing works out and it works with the rest of the Voyager episodes, many of which I haven't seen).

 

One thing it does do is change our perception of Q's intervention in "Q Who."  From TNG, you think he's just being mischievous and putting the Enterprise in danger to show them that humans shouldn't be in space.  From Enterprise, the danger was created 200 yrs earlier, and Q actually did them a favor.

[Dumbass 0]

We're not talking about Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster here.  The cybernetic beings that asimilated the research scientists, hyjacked the freighter, began modifying it, and sent a message to the Delta Quadrant were DOCUMENTED by Starfleet!  

 

One of the recurring themes in Star Trek is that time travel is inherently dangerous.  Changes in the past lead to changes in the future.  You can do a reasonable, although imperfect, job of "restoring" a timeline for things you can forsee, but the danger is in the things you CAN'T forsee.  

 

Humanity becoming aware of the Borg's existence in the 22nd century (even if it is just on the rumor level) and the Borg message to the Delta Quadrant are two unforseen consequences of First Contact that have the ability to change the future - ours and the Borg's.  Why is it so difficult to believe that's what happened?