Welcome to Star Trek Simulation Forum

Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to contribute to this site by submitting your own content or replying to existing content. You'll be able to customize your profile, receive reputation points as a reward for submitting content, while also communicating with other members via your own private inbox, plus much more! This message will be removed once you have signed in.

Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Muon Quark

To Breen or Not to Breen

Ok, so I checked the history of Sky Harbor Aegis again and NO, the Breen were not present at the signing of the treaty at the end of the Dominion Wars, so.... whatever could this mean? I've started this topic so everyone can voice their opinions. Myself, I think it means we'll be seeing the Breen again and that quite possibly, they're behind the recent attacks on ships. So, what do you guys think? Feel free to add some more hints Fred!!! <_<

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They would have almost had to have been party to the Surrender of Bajor treaty, but likely not the Aegis Agreement as they'd have very little stake in how Cardassia was run post-war.

 

~Einya

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Since we're soliciting opinions, I thought I'd add my totally conjectural thoughts and note a couple post-war plot events.

 

I agree with NDak that they must have been involved in the peace process. But I think post-war agreement would have been independent for each party. My logic follows:

 

Although the Cardies switched sides before the end, they would still have needed to formalize some kind of post-war agreement - I imagine renouncing their membership in the Dominion, abandoning ill-gotten territory, and accepting occupation and rebuilding forces (thus, Sky Harbor Aegis' role was born). There may have been other terms like no wormhole transit for a number of specified years, a limit in military force, and forbidding contact with Dominion representatives...et cetera. Although certainly not canon, I like the tone of the "Act of Military Surrender" posted at: http://www.st-minutiae.com/academy/history...urrenderc.xhtml

 

The Dominion would almost certainly have been required to renounce all claims in the Alpha Quadrant, including their alliance with Cardassia and the Breen. They'd have had to withdraw all forces through the wormhole and probably agreed to stay on that side. There may have been reparations and the female Founder who led the war seems to have stayed as a prisoner. Their Gamma Quadrant power was undiminished.

 

But what did the Breen have to do? For plot openings only, I imagined the Breen less inclined to make such concessions. By war's end, their forces were still strong, even if weak compared to an undivided Allied one. Although I've seen a similar treaty example at http://www.st-minutiae.com/academy/history...urrenderd.xhtml, I break with this one in believing the Breen would have grudgingly signed a cease fire, but stopped short of a peace treaty (not unlike the Korean Conflict). Aegis had a subplot where Breen "privateers" attacked a Cardassian freighter near the Badlands and were hunted by the Yorktown. (They got away.) Part of that storyline established that such pirates have flourished since the war, although the Breen claim they are renegades. Reflecting on DS9 and Aegis-related history of the Breen (and as someone unassociated with the currently unfolding plot), I think they'd be a distinct possibility.

 

Note: Amended the above text. I found images showing the Breen present at the treaty signing, but still looking for one with Cardassians. I also added links to some sample surrender documents.

Edited by Sorehl

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's is also in semi-canonical literature (that on Talon we consider Canon) an canon evidence that the Romulans and the Breen have a long history of conflict between each other. It's likely that on a 3-d space map they have a border that touches each other.

 

I would not be entirely surprised if the Breen were somewhat involved in anything, as they have a great deal of interest in seeing both the Federation and the Romulan Empire (amd even the Klingon Empire) considerably weakened.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's is also in semi-canonical literature (that on Talon we consider Canon) an canon evidence that the Romulans and the Breen have a long history of conflict between each other. It's likely that on a 3-d space map they have a border that touches each other.

 

Is there a map considered sorta official for the Aegis sim? I think a history between the Romulans and Breen seems neat, but the STSF interactive map ( http://www.stsf.net/map/ ) would need to considerably expand the Romulan and Breen contact with the Federation to make it happen, even with 3D.

 

Memory Alpha's article on the Breen mentions an early failed attempt by the Klingon to take the Breen homeworld. This suggests that the Klingons too are nearer Breen space than STSF's map would suggest.

 

Anyway, I'd put them on my long list of suspects, and not turn my back on them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've had that same though, Joy. Cardassia would also have to be closer to both the RSE and the KE if either were to be able to prosecute a war against them for any length of time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Okay, I am sticking by my "rogue Rihan group" theory. However, this Breen topic has given me something to ponder over.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Is there a map considered sorta official for the Aegis sim? I think a history between the Romulans and Breen seems neat, but the STSF interactive map ( http://www.stsf.net/map/ ) would need to considerably expand the Romulan and Breen contact with the Federation to make it happen, even with 3D.

 

Memory Alpha's article on the Breen mentions an early failed attempt by the Klingon to take the Breen homeworld. This suggests that the Klingons too are nearer Breen space than STSF's map would suggest.

 

Anyway, I'd put them on my long list of suspects, and not turn my back on them.

 

 

Why yes, there is a map for Aegis. On the Sky Harbor Aegis website. skyharboraegis.com <_<

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why yes, there is a map for Aegis. On the Sky Harbor Aegis website. skyharboraegis.com <_<

 

Yah, skyharboraegis.com has a nice detail from a slightly different version of the STSF map, great for the Cardassia area, but it doesn't say much about how close the Breen are to the Rihannsu or Aegis. It doesn't make me feel comfortable with how the Klingons and Rihannsu casually wage war in the Aegis neighborhood.

 

Okay, I am sticking by my "rogue Rihan group" theory. However, this Breen topic has given me something to ponder over.

 

"Rogue Rihan Group" is on Joy's short list too, but then so again is "Rogue Federation Group." "Rixia flying solo" is her third and last short list candidate. Still, Joy isn't really ready to actively accuse anyone, even on the short list. The presence of Dominion tech on the bomb freighter almost qualifies the Dominion or some subset of the former Dominion for the short list, but not quite in Joy's eyes. It is too easy to find surplus equipment after a war.

 

Most everyone is on the long list. Ambassador Sidega pointed out that the Gorn ought to be on the long list... B)

Edited by Joy

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yah, skyharboraegis.com has a nice detail from a slightly different version of the STSF map, great for the Cardassia area, but it doesn't say much about how close the Breen are to the Rihannsu or Aegis. It doesn't make me feel comfortable with how the Klingons and Rihannsu casually wage war in the Aegis neighborhood.

 

In a galaxy far far away.... <_<

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In a galaxy far far away.... <_<

 

The STSF map ( http://www.stsf.net/map/ ) shows the Federation running down the center with (top to bottom) the Romulans, Klingons and Gorn on the right, with (top to bottom again) the Breen, Ferrengi, Cardassians and Tholians on the left.

 

I would be tempted to go 3D. Lift the Federation up. Push most everyone else down, and mush the lower guys together towards the center. Thus, everyone on the right could exchange fire with their counterparts on the left. This would allow Klingon and Romulan encounters with the Breen and Cardassia, and Klingon and Gorn encounters with the Tholians.

 

Something like this, though you could mush the grey circles in closer together...

 

fedmap.gif

 

It's still a bit tricky to let the Klingons go at the Breen (as Memory Alpha says they once did) while having the Romulans abut Cardassia. Still, borders might shift over the years, and an extra dimension opens all sorts of possibilities.

 

This scheme would also give the Federation the high ground. B)

Edited by Joy

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My own map lools something like this:

 

It would be a side view

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Pink being the Breen)

overhead.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
"Rogue Rihan Group" is on Joy's short list too, but then so again is "Rogue Federation Group." "Rixia flying solo" is her third and last short list candidate. Still, Joy isn't really ready to actively accuse anyone, even on the short list. The presence of Dominion tech on the bomb freighter almost qualifies the Dominion or some subset of the former Dominion for the short list, but not quite in Joy's eyes. It is too easy to find surplus equipment after a war.

 

I guess I should also include the po-po platter of conspiracy theories... the rogue Federation group pretending to be a rogue Rihan group financing a rogue Rixia group deliberately using Dominion equipment. Rearrange to taste, make the word 'rogue' optional, and add sweet and sour sauce if desired. <_<

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0