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Though I don't know why. TOS and ENT failed so why do they expect the movie not to?

For eight years, I saw Galaxy Quest in my local library every time I went there, and always refused to check it out because I thought it would be a stupid Star Trek spoof movie. After reading this topic I decided to give it a go. For the first time in eight years, my library didn't have it. But thats, okay. I got it somewhere else and watched it, and, to be honest, was stunned from the beginning. Just from the theme tune in the menu, it already captured the feel of Star Trek. I swear, there were some shots in which I was sure that it was William Shatner acting and not Tim Allen. But what really did it for me was that the movie could have been a Star Trek episode and that you could tell that whoever wrote it definitely knew their Star Trek. Though, I can't help but feel that if Patrick Stewart was in the same situation, he would immediately tug on his shirt and take command. :P Thanks guys! Loved the movie! :)

Welcome to STSF! :D The sims will be become easier in time. Also, no one has said Shalom yet.

Actually, what really annoyed me about ENT was the producers attitude. I listened to the audio commentary of the first episode with Brannon Braga and Rick Berman, I think. It went something like this: "Ok, a lot of the fans a didn't like the idea of a prequel, but we did, so it's ok. This is a very controversial, (that was the word they used), theme sequence, and lots of fans don't like it, but we think its awesome." I know that the star trek fan club isn't large enough to support a tv show, but still, I think that when you reach a point were your franchise has what I can pretty confidently say is one of the largest fan followings of a tv show, then the producers have a duty to the fans. Also, while I was listening to that, (mind you, I only tolerated five minutes of this), I couldn't help but laugh at the fact that enterprise failed and was canceled. Should've thought before you gave your fans the finger, people. And now they're doing it again with the new movie. Everything the franchise has done since the end of voyager was hold up a huge sign saying, "We don't care about our fans." Mostly, canon between series doesn't bother me, but when you can spot 3 of them in the first episode of ENT before the opening credits, then you can hardly call it Star Trek. I think the main things that came up before the opening credits that bothered me, were: 1. A Klingon RUNNING AWAY from his foes 2. A Klingon weapon of the same technology of the TNG and POST-TNG era 3. A Klingon trying to reason with a human and is then almost killed by primitive human technology I just like to explain myself. :D

Ahhh. Cause and Effect. Genius episode. A camera mans dream. On topic: ....when you can list up to 10 star trek inconsistencies mentally in just a few seconds, for example: 1. The time it takes La Forge compared to Torres to shut down, diagnose, and fix the warp core, 2. Tuvoks ability to scan for time displacement, which the TNG crew, for some reason, doesn't know how to do....10. ...when you find yourself tapping your chest when you have to make a call. ...when you go see the Nasa in the Future exhibit at the Air and Space museum and cry out, "What? They haven't invented artificial gravity by 2020! What? In the future they still carry food? Where are the replicators?!?"

...when you cancel a date to sim with a bunch of strangers.

You go to the zoo and see the pandas and scream, ""AACK! The pandarians are gonna eat us!"

Now that I think about it, although seven seasons of Red Dwarf were during and past the TNG run, the first episode was written before and slightly during the first season of TNG, and episodes like Confidence and Paranoia, and Future Echoes, seem to actually be used in TNG a lot later on. Also, the theme behind Voyager is completely stolen from Dwarf, now that I think about it. The hologram, half the crew is wiped out, far away from home... And if you want to take it even farther, Neelix is Lister and Janeway is Rimmer, (mostly for making the crew wear uniforms 75000 light years from home). Has anyone yet done this spoof: (the doctor appears) This is an SOS distress call from the USS Voyager /or/ 75000 light years away from earth, the starship USS Voyager. The crew are dead, killed by a severe case of console explosion. The only survivors are the captain, the captains dog, who was safely on earth at the time, and a couple hundred members of the crew. Message ends. I need to change the title of this topic.

Oh man! I can't believe I've mixed it all up. Okay, I've recently been listening to the 2001 radio version of Hitchhiker which has such obvious references to Star Trek, but now I'm not sure anymore. If it turns out the fifth and sixth season are complete spoofs of the fourth book of H2G2, I might lose some respect for Star Trek. Thanks for pointing that out!

I like to give my two thousand cents. :D

Wait? Does that mean I'm not a hard-core trekkie anymore? If it does, I'll need to brush up on my Vulcan for dummies.

Of course I'm kidding. You didn't see how those Pandarian's ate me up. If they can get the better of a guy like me, hows Starfleet supposed to stop them? In my defense, though, I had just been heavily sedated and was in no state to fight, but still...

True, but elementary. Whatever that means... So I guess we're not going to have an academy for the next two tuesdays unless the pandarians escape from starfleet.

Yeah, I hate movies that were made from books. But it isn't just that. The movie didn't look or feel like it was from the same franchise. If it wasn't called hitchhiker I am sure that major fans would be sort of unsure whether it was even the same story. The movie was completely different from the other hitchhiker media, as it came decades later after the death of Douglas Adams, and was made, like what I heard about the upcoming star trek film, for an audience who might have heard of hitchhiker but hadn't seen it. As a huge fan who has reread the five books dozens of times, listened to both of the radio shows, and watched the entire tv show again and again, I can say with some confidence that not a single joke was preserved. Just have a look at the characters: Arthur Dent: Helpless in the movie, while in everything else he's a smart man who just happens to be stuck in a terrible situation. Tricia: Does not share any characteristics with her former incarnations, which is actually okay because her character changed a lot from the radio series to the tv show. Ford: Is American. What's that about? Ford's gentleman character is so classic that when I saw him in the trailer and being such an action figure practically made me choke. Ford the Gentleman was such: (the improbability drive turns on and he turns into a penguin) [Ford: That's not the point. The point is I'm now a perfectly safe penguin] with Arthur telling him [Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it!] beforehand, which is replaced in the movie by turning them into a pair of sofa's: [Arthur: I think I'm a sofa. Ford: I know how you feel] Which is a good line but isn't as good as the original. Zaphod: Has his second face under his throat and had it cut off. In the books there is an amazing mystery case about what is wrong with Zaphod's head throughout the entire series, and since the movie ended like it could have a sequel, they seemed to have taken it out of consideration. Also, it does not share the hitchhiker theme. At the end of the movie when they are flying toward the restaurant at the end of the universe, Marvin says the line: "The end of the universe is the other way," something like that, which is a good line which a sane Adams would never have wrote, because he, unlike the writers of the film, was also a real sci-fi writer, who wrote some of the more technological episodes of Doctor Who, and gave great explanations to how the improbability drive actually worked and explained in detail that the restaurant was not an area in space but an area in TIME, and I do not believe who could have written that joke even though he is credited with a part of the screenplay. Sorry to write so much, but when someone mentions the hitchhiker movie I can feel my blood boil. It wasn't bad by itself, but it was no comparison to the others, which were amazing.

Yeah, but I lost both of my legs! :)

Well, space balls, I first thought of as a Wars spoof but when I watched it again I saw the more Trek-like elements. The Hitchhiker movie DOES NOT, I repeat, DOES NOT, represent the books, radio, or television series of the same name. In the actual books you can see references to tons of episodes of episodes, mostly TNG, such as the alien race with loses its memory, the alien race which talks telepathically, and there is an alien race in TNG, (I'll look up the name of the episode), that resembles the Vogons. Red Dwarf did spoof some general sci fi, but if you watch it closely, you might feel like its Trek with jokes. Along with that- Hitchhiker was also a parody of Doctor Who- Which Douglas Adams was writing at the same time who wrote Hitchhiker.

Well I was using a spoof and parody category, and since both Red Dwarf and Hitchhiker take out elements from practically all of the TOS-DS9 episodes I included them, but I see your point.

Good point. Still, I would sleep easier if I knew that they were keeping us in mind.

I am more of TNG/DS9/VOY era fan, and I am aware of how amazingly flawed they are, but it is very hard for me to sit through TOS because of the lack of amazing technology I got used to with later series. That's the only thing I hold against ENT. TOS and ENT are good shows, but I get the feeling that most fans, as with me, would much rather go into the future, where no one has gone before, for the movie and what could have been instead of ENT, because that is what star trek is supposed to be about. It's the future, and TOS does not always give off a futuristic impression. Besides, when I see Patrick Stewart in another film, he's not Patrick Stewart. He's Jean-Luc Picard. This is so for all the casts of star trek. Even though I will probably end up going to see the film on the first day it comes out, I believe it will be painful for me to see a new cast take on TOS roles. I can't see TOS fans getting used to a new Kirk and Spock team. Remakes are becoming an american tradition. Everything that did well once is being done again. Also, since star trek has one of the largest followings, it is a real insult to the fans to be doing this movie at all. It could possibly kill the franchise for good. Not that I don't understand from a writers point of view, the difficulties of writing a post-nemesis storyline.

Its so depressing to be a Star Trek fan in the 21st century. You are a hard-core trekkie when the news of a star trek prequel puts you in a state of a depression and that the only way to cheer you up is to go through all of TNG season four in one day.

In the new star trek movie they should make new security uniforms with bulls eyes. That would be so cool that I would forgive them for making a prequel instead of a sequel, (didn't they learn their lesson when enterprise got cancelled?)

What about if the Enterprise D was repaired and in one of those shots of it going to warp you could faintly see the outline of a squashed being stuck to it? Or better yet, you went to ten forward and saw half of a person on the window.

Well, I can too. I suppose saying that my favorite way to die would be being eaten from the inside by slugs gives off a bid impression. I've made a list of great Star Trek ways to die: -Being an unimportant ensign on a starship who dies from his console exploding while telling the captain something extremely important. -Being taken over by an alien entity and being killed by the crew for your own good. -Going on an away team with Worf or Kirk, (or if possible, both), and being killed by a monster to make the rest of the crew understand the seriousness of the situation. -Being on one of the planets which Deanna Troi crashes the Enterprise into. Specifically, being crushed right under the id number.

It was a very traumatic experience. Plus- I can't think of a better way I'd want to die.

Don't extras die in practically every show? Except for possibly Datas day? Let's see. We have the extras who die from console explosion. Then we've got security extras who die to show us that the monster means business.